Orlando shooting

Why were the muslim terrorists in France allowed to have guns?
France etc have restrictive gun laws. Didn't stop tragedy...
The US had very lax gun laws 30-40 years ago and there were not a lot of problems.
Hmmm, what has changed...what has entered the equation that has skewed life here?

 

I find it disturbing the president of the United States has his head so far up his ass that he refuses to utter the words "Muslim Terrorist". I have to believe this is because of his close ties to the Muslim community.

But if it was a Klu Klux Klan member dressed in a bed sheet screaming white pride/Christian propaganda, I'm pretty sure he would lay the blame where it belongs pretty dam quick, as he should do in either case.

KTK

 

The 'lone wolf' rhetoric...he went to ksa at least twice.
Release the redacted 911 documents. Release the Kraken.

 

Just terrible and sad. Today I found out that somebody I knew from high school died in that terrorist attack

 

There is a line of reasoning that using that term legitimizes the terrorist, at least to some, and thus is to be avoided. I'm not sure I agree but I don't find the position totally unreasonable.

 

It's pandering. It's political correctness. If he were talking about the Klan he wouldn't hesitate to call them White Supremacists.

 

At the same time it's advertising the organisation, it's name and what it can do...and then we go to great lengths to explain why it was done. It's akin to me not wantIng the names or pictures of these people printed either, it gives them fame, confirms details for payment...and others can see themselves in that role...

 

All of these organizations need to be advertised and demonized. An interesting side story to this is that several of his co-workers reported his increasingly fanatical Islamic statements to the company they worked for. The company took no action because he was Muslim and they feared being accused of racism. That again is political correctness, pure insanity. That company might well have ended up in front of a federal judge, accused of discrimination.

Our idiotic president sets that tone. And 49 people are dead because of it.

 

Why aren't all mosques/imams bugged...Why aren't the moderate muslims fingering those who talk about anything sharia.
Will relate, once again, how i observed pictures of dead and mutilated bodies pasted all over both mens and womens/childrens entrances (because women are not equal) in mosques i had to work at in Edmonton 20-30 years ago. This is where moderate muslims took their families to worship/pray/prey.
What kind of people/religion worship dead and mutilated bodies.
Guessing social justice warriors don't know what sharia entails, and only want to blow kisses to make things better.
A lot of good WW2 folk died fighting for our current way of life. If it weren't for those guys/gals/guns, there would be no sjw's or their pathetic reasonings.

 

Islam is not a race...so can never be racist. But there are laws against attacking someones religious freedoms...A load of shite. There is/are already countries banning ANYTHING religious in public...no Berquas, no robes and no crucifixes either...I think this is a good way to go (bit like wearing school uniforms - equals the field)
I think I support the (not banning) but suspension of migrant intake from the middle east, the vetting should be exhaustive and there shouldn't be any "family repatriation" either (We never got it here in Australia 200 years ago...so we had to make friends and blend into the community) - The refugee scheme must be re-worked to send them back when the danger is over - may take 2 years, may take 10, but you must find a job, get sponsored and apply for citizenship if you want to stay...ANY criminal activity in this time means instant deportation (we do that here).

 

Create safe zones in the middle east, protected by the UN and sensible people like the Kurds. Islam in general is not compatible with civilized democratic societies. I'd allow damned few into my country if it was up to me.

 

I remember recently (with in the last year or so) looking up "terrorist" related deaths in the US. Depending on how they were calculated and the period of time there were more deaths by right wing extremist than by Islamic extremist. Obviously the period was post 0/11 (it may have been the last 10 years.

That is very clearly an opinion and not a well supported one. Many hunting guns are semis as well as many pistols. For self defense semi automatic pistols have a lot going for them. Most pistol competition shooters also use semi automatics from what I understand. "Need" is a very slippery term as well. You may believe what you will but a belief don't expect others to follow your religion. By the way there are very good reasons not to register guns as some recent events have indicated.

 

Anyone's belief on the subject is truly an opinion.

On a side note, popular 101st ABN author Mark Bando lost his son in the attack. Mark has been on the media with the opinion that he wished his son was armed.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/former-detroit-police-officer-who-lost-son-in-orlando-attack-talks-about-the-mass-shooting

Recently I was confronted by an unleashed pit bull. I was about to plant the dog when the owner showed up. The guy was an off duty police officer under investigation for brutality. His actions by state law would have given me the right to defend myself with force against him. If I'd been armed, the situation may not have ended as well as it did. By state law he committed assault. He fled before the police arrived.

 

Am I right in saying that the shooter bumped into a cop outside the club, who had to call for help since he was outgunned?
If so, how heavily armed would "one good guy with a gun" need to be?

 

Then you'd ban 90% of the firearms in the US?

 

He ran away because he was a coward, not because he was outgunned. Then the other police waited three hours to ram the place with an armored car while people bled to death on the floor. And this is exactly why I will NEVER allow leftists to disarm me. Police can not and will not protect me or anyone else. They have "protocols" you see, and the protocols must be followed. I'll defend myself and those around me. I won't wait for the police.