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  1. TiredOldSoldier

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    I would disagree, there's plenty of "trampling my enemy under my feet and laying waste to his land", and not just related to Canaan, yes it was in the spirit of the times but I would not say the early middle ages, when the Koran was written, were a lot better. Tollerance is a very recent conquest even in the western world, think of Alan Touring's fate, and he was man his nation owed a lot to.
     
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    Not really a swerve just pointing out that your point is in essence irrelevant to the discussion at hand. As to whether or not the Old Testament is "Christian" that rather depends on what you are talking about and exactly how you define it does it not? Consider that parts of it are specifically refuted by the New Testament. In any case there is no clearly defined section of the Christian bible that defines a criminal code is there? So nothing equivalent of Sharia. Nor is their a section of said Bible that condones much less promotes conquest as method of spreading the faith (although some clearly took it upon themselves to do so). All three of the major factions of Judaism have their Issues but Islam stands above the other two in the severity of said issues especially now.
     
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    You spoke too soon......................

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39151218

    "Significant quantities" of human remains have been discovered at the site of a former mother and baby home in County Galway.

    In October 2016 the Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation began test excavations at the site in Tuam.

    The commission was
    established following allegations about the deaths of 800 babies in Tuam and the manner in which they were buried.

    It said it was "shocked" by the discovery.

    The Tuam home was one of 10 institutions in which about 35,000 unmarried pregnant women are thought to have been sent.

    A child died nearly
    every two weeks between the mid-1920s and 1960s.

    In a statement on Friday, the Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation said the remains were found in "at least 17 of the 20 underground chambers which were examined earlier this year".


    It added: "These remains involved a number of individuals with age-at-death ranges from approximately 35 foetal weeks to two-three years."

    The home operated from 1925 to 1961 and a number of the samples are likely to date from the 1950s, the commission said.

    The commission said it is continuing its investigation into who was responsible for the disposal of human remains in this way and has asked that the relevant state authorities take responsibility for the appropriate treatment of the remains.

    The coroner has been informed
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    This is the first place people came to post after the move? Really?

    I should have "lost" this thread in the move.
     
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    It adds no new information. Significant quantities of human remains can be found in any cemetery. We don't know why those children died. And the fact is without those, shitty or not, institutions the children that ended up there wouldn't survive at all.
     
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    Considering that these words were written 2600 years ago: "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt", that free expression of religion and acceptance of cultural differences were the norm in the Roman Empire, and for example in the Mogul Empire, and in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, that the idea of human rights first was introduced by Spanic clerics in the 16th century century, I would say the statement "tolerance is a very recent conquest" is rather bold. :)

    And even more, considering that in the western world, new Alan Turings are created regularly:

    Teen Girl Sent Teen Boy 5 Inappropriate Pictures. He Faced Lifetime Registry as a 'Violent Sex Offender' or 350 Years in Jail.
    Man who told police about sexts sent by stepdaughter convicted under child porn laws
    17-Year-Old Faces Child Porn, Assault Charges for Consensual Sex with Girlfriend
    This Mother of 3 Is on the Sex Offender Registry for Life Because She Made a Mistake as a Teen
    American's national sex it now contains almost has 850,000 people
     
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    Is Islam a Threat to the West? An interestiong debate between a Christian apologist and a Muslim apologist:

     
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    "I Will Not Cover Myself Up": Le Pen Refuses To Wear Headscarf, Cancels Meeting With Lebanese Cleric

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    Marion Anne Perrine Le Pen, known as Marine Le Pen, is a French attorney and politician. She is the president of the National Front (FN), a political party in France.
    Le Pen joined the National Front in 1986 and has been elected as a regional councillor (1998–present), a Member of European Parliament (2004–present), and a municipal councillor in Hénin-Beaumont (2008-2011).
    Described as more democratic and republican than her nationalist father, Le Pen has led a movement of "de-demonization of the Front National" to detoxify it and soften its image, based on renovated positions and renewed teams, also expelling controversial members accused of racism, antisemitism, or pétainism. She finally expelled her father from the party on 20 August 2015 after new controversial statements.
    She has also relaxed some political positions of the party, advocating for civil unions for same-sex couples instead of her party's previous opposition to legal recognition of same-sex partnerships, accepting unconditional abortion and withdrawing the death penalty from her platform.
    Le Pen was ranked among the most influential people in 2011 and 2015 by the Time 100. In 2016, she was ranked as second-most influential MEP in the European Parliament by Politico, just behind the President of the European Parliament Martin Schulz.
     
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    Interesting but just how is it related to the topic at hand.

    I see you are still plagiarizing the work of others.
     
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    Marion Maréchal-Le Pen The Future Of Right-Wing Politics

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    Marion Jeanne Caroline Maréchal-Le Pen (born 10 December 1989) is a French politician, granddaughter of Front national (FN) founder Jean-Marie Le Pen, and niece of current FN president Marine Le Pen.
    Maréchal-Le Pen is, like her aunt, also a member of the National Front and has been the MP for Vaucluse's 3rd constituency since 2012. 22 years old at the time of her election, she became France's youngest MP in modern political history.

    In a country that is highly secular and atheistic, Marion is a devout Catholic. She is openly pro-life and against gay marriage even though we are regularly told that those positions are on the “wrong side of history.”
    She is highly critical of Islam and how it relates to the French Republic. She has stated that Muslims could only be considered French if they adopt French “customs and a lifestyle” that have been shaped by 1500 years of Christianity, and if they speak French as their first language. She even opposes schools providing substitute meals to conform to Muslim’s halal rules.

    In a recent speech, Marion sounded very much unlike American politicians who reduce American culture to nothing more than consumerism:
    ‘We are not a land of Islam,’ she declared. ‘In our country, we don’t wear djellaba clothing, we don’t wear a veil and we don’t impose cathedral-sized mosques.’


    [...] Marion Maréchal-Le Pen represents a refreshing trend in politics: politicians who reject political correctness and who are unabashedly nationalistic. If these politicians are elected, they may be able to roll back the globalist policies that have made their citizens feel like foreigners in their own countries.



    More from the self declared rogue cartoonist:

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    There was an article on NPR recently where they discussed some of the "political correctness" issues with a member of the Trump administration. He was complaining about the fact that the previous administration didn't like the use of certain terms. The lack of understanding or perhaps the over concentration on the domestic side of things was incredible. One of the things he objected to was that the previous administration didn't want the term "jehad" or any of its derivatives used in describing terrorist. He pointed out that said terrorist used the terms themselves. What he completely missed or glossed over is that the war against the various terrorist organizations is very much a war of ideas as well as violence and that the principle weapons in the war of ideas are words. The term "jehad" has very favorable connotations among the devotees of Islam. The terrorist want to be called "jehadis". Us calling them so is not only refusing to use a weapon against them but it is putting that weapon in their hands. Similar logic dictates using the term Daesh to refer to the group often titled ISIS.

    Another example of a cartoon that not only isn't funny but is off the mark so much that it may accurately be described as "flat out wrong".

    WM was the text above the cartoon written by you or are you still plagiarizing articles?
     
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    No, it's fair use of inline referenced, creative commons or copyrighted (17 U.S. Code §107) material.

    As to the cartoon:
    The man in bed represents Europe.
    The wound represents the series of coordinated terrorist attacks in France and Belgium which resulted in almost 200 deaths.
    "Political correctness" represents European elites which, motivated by political correctness, enabled them.

    As the author says, in his own words: “Radical Islam Pendulum” I drew this in response to the Nice, France terror attacks…how much lower will the pendulum swing?

    You missed every clue, every cultural reference there - as usual.

    In the same vein, more directly expressed:
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  13. lwd

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    It's only fair use if you give proper credit. Indeed by failing to do so you are by convention claiming to be the author of said works. So far you have failed properly credit your quotes most of the time. So yes you are plagiarizing.

    Is that your interpretation or someone elses. Not particularly obvious or accurate in any case and definitely not funny. So another waste of bandwidth.
    Or not. Since it was clear that the basic premice was fatally flawed I didn't bother to analyze it in any detail. Of course some of the things you mention above are not by any means clear even if I had bothered to analyze it.
    And just as questionable with regards to both veracity and utility. It does do a good job of illustrating the adage that "for every complex problem there is a simple solution ... that doesn't work".
     
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    I didn't offer any solutions, and the cartoons didn't either.
    In fact the main role of a political cartoon is to question authority and draw attention to corruption, political violence and other social ills using hyperbole and satire.
     
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    Interestingly after the WW2 the today sharia ruled countries: Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq were trying to become modern, Westernized states. This is one of such efforts, rebuilding Afghanistan with the help of the US in the sixties:

    Little America in Afghanistan
    If you look beyond the soldiers, and into the distance, what you are really seeing are the ruins of one of the biggest technological projects the United States has ever undertaken. Its aim was to use science to try and change the course of history and produce a modern utopia in Afghanistan. The city of Lashkar Gah was built by the Americans as a model planned city, and the hundreds of miles of canals that the Taliban now hide in were constructed by the same company that built the San Francisco Bay Bridge and Cape Canaveral.


    Afghanistan in the 60s and 70s, before the wars:


     
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    Why Do American Jews Want Thousands of Jew Haters in America?
    Attacks on Jews in France and elsewhere in Europe by Muslim immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa, or MENA, are so common that for the first time since World War II, Jews in France fear wearing a kippah or a Star of David in public. So many French Jews are leaving France that two years ago, then-Prime Minister Manuel Valls gave an impassioned speech pleading with French Jews to stay in France.

    It has gotten so bad for Jews in Europe that The Atlantic, a liberal magazine, recently featured an article titled "Is It Time for the Jews to Leave Europe?"

    In Sweden, attacks on Jews in Malmo, the country's third largest city, are so common that Jews are leaving the city and the country.

    Last year, the Jerusalem Post published an article about a Jewish couple that had lived in Sweden since the middle of World War II. Dan and Karla (not their real names) are Danish Jews who were smuggled into Sweden as children. Their gratitude for Sweden has been immense.

    But they have now left their homeland, the country that saved their lives, to live in Spain. They lived in Malmo. In Dan's words, the immense saturation of Jew hatred in the city was caused by "the adverse effects of accepting half-a-million immigrants from the Middle East, who plainly weren't interesting in adopting Sweden's values and Swedish culture. ... The politicians, the media, the intellectuals ... they all played their parts in pandering to this dangerous ideology and, sadly, it's changing the fabric of Swedish society irreversibly."

    An article in the left-wing HuffingtonPost reached a now-familiar conclusion, saying: "Migrants streaming into Europe from the Middle East are bringing with them virulent anti-Semitism which is erupting from Scandinavia to France to Germany. ... While all of the incoming refugees and migrants, fleeing Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and other Muslim lands, may not hold anti-Jewish views, an extremely large number do -- simply as a result to being raised in places where anti-Jewish vitriol is poured out in TV, newspapers, schools and mosques. ... 'There is no future for Jews in Europe' said the chief Rabbi of Brussels."

    Yet, despite all this Muslim-immigrant Jew hatred, more than a thousand rabbis have signed a petition to bring large numbers of MENA Muslims into America, and virtually all Jewish organizations outside of orthodoxy and the Zionist Organization of America have condemned President Trump's administration for enacting even a temporary travel ban (one due entirely to security concerns) on immigrants and refugees from seven (of the world's more than 50) Muslim-majority countries.

    How is one to explain the widespread American Jewish support for bringing in a massive number of people, many of whom will bring in anti-Jew, anti-Israel and anti-West values?
     
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    Regretfully the article is rather one-sided(unusual for the BBC).

    You see, the Soviets were dumping tons of cash into Afghanistan also, and into similar infrastructure projects. The Afghanistan leadership was playing both sides against the other, and greatly benefited from the Cold War rivalry between the US & USSR.
     
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    Both sides? When? They were solidly communist from the seventies till the fall of the USSR.
     
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    Danes look at Sweden today “with absolute horror.”
    The Swedish media, which is quite pro-government and its leftwing policies, does not always report the full extent of the problems in their society. So it is hard to have a very accurate picture of what is going on. But we in Denmark have a good sense. We are very aware of the murders, rapes, riots, violence and the hand grenades that go on there. This does not often make the news but we know it is going on. And we don’t want to go down the same route.

    This is the result of decades of policies promoting multiculturalism in Sweden. And what is left is this hollow house. You know, in the Bible it is said that if a house is left swept, tidied and unoccupied it eventually it will be taken over by evil. And I fear that this is what is happening in Sweden. Far from being a multicultural paradise, the problems can no longer remain hidden.
    [...]
    There was a TV ad partially paid by the Swedish government recommending that all Swedes integrate into this new multicultural society they are creating. Think about that. Even old Swedes now need to adjust to this new reality, instead of immigrants adapting to Swedish society. They call it “Det nya landet”, which means the new country. Traditional Sweden is gone.
    [...]
    Which is not to say we don’t have problems. We do. We face the same identity issues, and our traditions – in particular our Christian heritage – are fast disappearing from our society. That same hollowness is now becoming mainstream in Denmark. And this eliminates much of the arguments to defend ourselves against the importation of foreign values and customs, many of which are at odds with our own. Simply forbidding things will not change this reality.
    [...]
    We have this belief here that welfare is the solution for everything. No matter who comes here from whatever part of the world will get housing, work, entertainment and healthcare. The government will give those to you with the expectation that if you have all those things you will happily assimilate into Danish society, learn Danish and adapt to our culture. As a result we will become a vibrant multicultural society.

    The reality is quite different. The relativism that this multiculturalism engenders ends up putting different sides of society at odds with each other, especially when their values and beliefs are very different to begin with.

    When immigrants come to Denmark they may be taken care of, but they have no dominant culture that they can assimilate into, certainly not in the religious sense. We are completely devoid of God. And as a result they end bringing elements of their culture and religion which often create friction, misunderstandings and also crime. So Danish society becomes more and more divided as a result.
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    We no longer have a moral compass. Before, Christianity provided this role, keeping us united over centuries. Now we can no longer distinguish between good and evil, and ultimately this is what this struggle comes down to. Without this any preventive measures like this are just quick fixes that will not solve anything over the longer term. What is needed is a positive alternative in a moral sense.
    [...]
    People want to be perceived as doing good, meaning opening their communities, welcoming and caring for others.

    I would be in favor of that if we were talking about women and their children, even families. But the reality is different. The majority of people we have welcomed in recent years, especially following the migrant crisis, are fit young men. They bring their conflicts and their frustrations with them, creating a difficult environment for everyone.
    [...]
    All this talk of multiculturalism and open borders sounds very nice, but in practice it has led to a progressive transformation of our societies, and as Sweden shows not for the better. Less freedoms, less safety, less cohesion; more crime, more fragmentation, more social problems. It really is a struggle of good versus evil, and we in the West can no longer distinguish between the two. I would even call it diabolical disorientation.
    [...]
    You mentioned Denmark being the happiest country in the world but I am not sure that is true. We have high alcohol consumption and about half a million people on happy pills for a reason.

    Channel 1, our main TV channel here, recently aired a documentary on three Danish girls who converted to Islam out of their own will, not because they got married or anything like that. They all had the same background, coming from broken homes, dealing with alcoholism and so forth – basically part of the legacy of the 1968 revolution we had across Europe. What these girls lacked was structure, and they found it in Islam because it regulates all aspects of your life: how you dress, what you eat, with whom you can socialize with, how to pray, how to interact as a wife and so on.
     
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    They only became solidly communist in 1979. Afghanistan was taking for both the US and USSR in the 1950s &1960s. Between 1954 and 1978, Afghanistan received approximately $1 billion in Soviet aid.
     
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