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The secret Delta Nazis

Discussion in 'Axis Aviation Of WWII' started by tony.osborne, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. tony.osborne

    tony.osborne New Member

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    I share with you this special and illustrated report bringing some pictures of one of the most secret and mysterious projects of the Luftwaffe during World War II. Visiting the link below, in addition to photos, you can also contribute to the discussion by answering the poll if these projects have helped in the development of Western and Russian fighter aircraft in the post war. What do you think? Visit the link below and leave your opinion.


    http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com.br/2011/01/os-delta-secretos-da-luftwaffe.html


    Best Regards!
     
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  4. Dylan45

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    Great photos. Any English version of your site?
     
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    williamlazura New Member

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    thanks for sharing interesting aircraft photos, although its not english version
     
  6. Carronade

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    German work no doubt helped, but let's not think that Germans were the only ones to think of it.

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    I'm reminded of Werner von Braun's reply to his American interrogators: "Why are you asking me? This was all derived from your Robert Goddard."
     
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    Since you're open to CRAZY ...

    in April 2005 at Sabadell in Spain there was an interesting gathering of Luftwaffe airmen. Former He177 pilot PETER Brill opened up to comrades that he was one of six pilots trained in 1943 to fly the Amerika bomber mission.(below)


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    Peter said there were nine He177 aircraft were converted with enormous bomb bays large enough to accommodate a car. The only He177 matching this description known to me is the V38 prototype captured at Prague 08 May 1945.(below)

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    (below) For the sake of comparison a standard bomb bay from a He177 A-3 bomber :

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    Peter said just four aircraft which he called the AK177 were ready to fly a mission to bomb USA. He said they were held in readiness under camouflage netting at Sprottau, east of Berlin where Peter assumes the Soviets captured them. He also said they had "twin turbines" driving contra rotating propellers. Peter said in flight one "turbine in each pair could be shut down to provide better fuel consumption.


    The only engine I know which matches that description is the DB613, which was still under development at the end of WW2 for the He177 A-7 R2.
    this was a hybrid aircraft with wings mated from the Me264. more than doubling fuel capacity.

    Peter said even with a longer range aircraft it was still supposed to be a one way mission with crews required to ditch near Uboats for recovery.
     
  8. ltdan

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    Smile......Brill's nuclear bomber story so once again
    Very briefly, a few details about the background of the modification of V38:

    The He177 was designed as a long-range bomber, but according to the RLM dogma in force at the time, the bomber had to be capable of dive-bombing at any price.
    As a consequence, considerable reinforcements of the airframe became necessary, furthermore the two twin engines DB 610 had to be installed instead of four single engines.
    Consequence: endless problems, countless accidents with numerous killed crews, delay of the series production by several years...
    The only really useful use of the He 177 was finally with the KG 40, which flew missions from France over the Atlantic in support of the U-boats (which came to an end in the summer of 1944 for well-known reasons).

    And here we come full circle to the V38:
    The aircraft was found (without wings) in Czechoslovakia after the surrender. DOCUMENTED use was as testbed for FuG 200 Hohentwiel ASV maritime patrol radar with flexible MG 131Z nose gun installation.
    Which again suggests a maritime use. Then the enlarged bomb bay suddenly makes sense when you know that heavy bomb loads such as Fritz-X could only be carried externally (due to the "Stuka conversions" who made the reinforcing structures in the bomb bay neccessary), which reduced speed and range by 25-30%....
    In view of the conditions prevailing on the Atlantic front in 1943/44, the achievable increase in performance parameters justified the efforts of such a conversion (especially since the resulting loss of dive-bombing capability did not play a role). In 1944, however, much more urgent problems arose and the project was discontinued

    As for the hair-raising conversions described by Brill: This only sounds somewhat credible (if at all) if you consistently ignores the differences between a working aircraft and a Revell kit. The Nazi atomic bomb story then requires even more imagination and creativity.
    But hey ho: with the merry motto "The absence of evidence is no evidence of absence" can be proved pretty much EVERYTHING somehow.....
     
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    There is also the other merry motto
    "Never let facts stand in the way of a good story."
     
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    I am curious when Kammler will be mentioned, he must not be missing in any serious atomic bomb story.
    The main thing is that Simon Gunson doesn't read this, otherwise things will get really nasty here.. :grumble::explosion1::explosion2:

    My goodness, people exist :rofl:
     
  11. T. A. Gardner

    T. A. Gardner Genuine Chief

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    To the original post:

    That's the prototype Lippisch P 13 prototype that never proceeded beyond possibly some towed glider flights. It was a desperate and insane attempt at building a ramjet fighter. Since it was never flight tested with the actual engine, and the coal fired version of the ramjet was equally insane, it's likely it would have been a failure.

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    Lippisch's delta designs were an influence on a few postwar aircraft like the US F-102, but on the whole his designs were eventually sidelined because of the inefficiency of the delta wing in energy maneuvering combat aircraft.
     

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