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Ok, try this...

 

I know what it is ,but there never existed. :smok:

 

As ever, you can't fool Patrice. However, it did exist!
There is a captured example sitting in a tankpark in Russia somewhere...
(that should give the rest of you a slight clue as to the nationality!)
I'm not sure if it was used.
I'll find out more, maybe get more pictures for you...

 

Ricky .
I know this color picture(From Steel Master n°17)it is a fake picture.
the vehicle is the last in a line of T34/85.

 

The picture I have posted is definately a fake.
I'll dig out the modelling magazine article in which I first found mention of this vehicle and have a check about the authenticity of any other stuff...

 

and the name was ramtiger

 

Yes!

Now, Patrice, I did manage to find that article - yes, the picture shown is a Ramtiger at the end of a row of T-34/85s (plus a couple of other AFVs, not quite sure what they are...). The picture is not referenced, or even referred to in the text!
The guy does mention a bit about the history of the Ramtiger (devised after Stalingrad, dropped in favour of the Sturmpanzer Brummbar -type designs), and says that most historians agree it never got past the woodn mock-up stage.
However, one guy (Trevor Larkum - described as an 'informed author') reckons 3 were completed.
Who knows...

So, Patrice, why do you reckon the pic is fake?

 

Hello Ricky.
The first time that I saw this picture it was in 1996.
It was in Steel Master n°17 a French magazine on the armoured tanks and model making,the legend of the picture said that it was often presented as a document in a deposit in Russia but that this document was only one forgery remarkably carried out.
And since I never again saw this picture published,but one speaks about it on different forums,and still no more informations about this picture,Which?,Where?,when?,for a exclusive picture it is strange.
Looking well at this picture it obviousely taken after the war,there are different type of T-34.
There are several things which disturbs me in this picture,the color of the Rammtiger it is to clean and too well preserved,the road wheels looks strange and finally the dimensions,a T-35/85 measures gun included 8,10meters, a Rammtiger around 6,7m for theTiger P hull and maybee 2 meters more for the armoured Spur that is to say approximately 9 meters
and on the picture the Rammtiger which is at the end of the line seems much longer than 9 meters while comparing with the T-34/85 which is closest to him.
Now I can misled completly.

 

Well, here is the picture:
The length is kinda hard to guess, owing to the fact that they are not parked in a straight line. All the tanks seem rather too 'clean' to have sat there for 50 years!
As for the wheels - they seem ok, but the photo is of bad quality. The one detail that is odd is that the drive sproket seems too far forward & too low down...
Frankly I would not know either way - my ignorance is showing again.

P.S: what is the tank on the far left? It looks almost like a Panther...

 

That photograph looks very fishy, for two reasons:

One, the colour temperature of the Rammtiger is slightly off. It's more blueish than what would be expected compared to the grass in the foreground (which is almost over-exposed).

Second, the Rammtiger seems to be pasted into the photograph - the tracks appear to be floating above the ground, and there is no grass around it, which is there on the other vehicles.

 

I was just about to mention that. The Tiger's look is definitely not the same as that of the T34s, and it doesn't seem to be 'in' the surroundings, rather 'on' them. So i think that the T34s are there all right, but the RammTiger has been pasted in later.

 

I'll second that. That photo just doesn't look real

 

Consensus is that it's fake.
Anyone willing to speak in defence?

 

Does anybody know anything about the claim by Trevor Larkum that there were 3 of these beasts made?
Apparently he did lots of research into chassis numbers etc.
Lyndon, as our resident Tiger researcher - can you shed any light here?

 

I believe that the number three is correct, however I would have to check when I get come...

Christian

 

To add to all the above, have any of noticed that the Rammtiger has a different light source than all the other tanks in the picture. The light comes in from the left in the picture, hitting all the tanks either from the front or from the rear depending on which way they are parked. Except the Rammtiger. This has the light hitting it on the side, from the direction where the camera must have been.

 

Ok, Ok, it's a fake!
Sheesh...

 

Still, you must have a pretty efficient photo editor software. You certainly fooled me.

 

Not my picture - I simply found it in a magazine. Patrice had seen it somewhere too and thought it was fake. I hadn't looked that hard, so I scanned & posted so you guys could look & judge.

I'd like to take credit for producing a clever fake, but I can't!
I lack the 'clever' bit...

 

at a fast glance it looks real but I agree it is a fake