Bibal. Ask me what you want.

anticipating objections

I stumbled across a criticism of the mid acts position on line and was angered to see that the yokel who wrote it misrepresents the Grace movement as having thrown out BOTH Water baptism AND the Lords supper, nothing could be farthur from the truth he confuses acts 28 ultradispensationalists (which btw have died out) with the Acts 9 or 13 crowd, yes we are really a dangerous group we not only ask you to differentiate between Peter and Paul, (please Rob Peter to pay Paul) but we ask you to differentiate between Paul and Paul, early epistles vs late or Prison epistles, Paul was converted under the old dispensation and the revelation of the mystery took a while to accomplish so there was also a transition period in Pauls ministry. SATAN HATES THIS TRUTH. JUST the mere mention of it on the Christian faith chat room set off the cries of demons wailing and shouting in huge letters about how ugly this was to them. most of it was unintelligible nonsense sylables wouldnt be surprised if we got that reaction here too. :angry:

 

Hey, i am glad to se a lot of chatter on this thread. i am sorry to not answer, but I am pinned down with homework. My high school teachers have given me a research paper, triganometry (which is really hard), lots of Catch 22 to read, and a huge Biology project. i also got kicked of the school computers for 2 weeks for going to this site. i will PM people answers as soon as possible. Please be patient. i would like to have more time, but I don't so I am sorry.

 

But it's educational!

Sorry to hear that, good luck with all the projects.

 

Interesting article backing up the 'fact' that Europeans are descended from only 7 women.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4559253.stm

So why aren't we all inbred, then?

 

sorry for never being able to finish what I started here. It was a great opertunity that fell through the fllor. I would try to start it up, but I am working at a summer camp all summer, and I will have no access to the internet. Sorry

 

Why worry about the seven, when we are all descended from Adam and Eve.

 

Prove it, please. Or at least make it plausible.

Just to warn you, saying "It's in the Bible" does not constitute proof because there is no reason to assume that the Bible is an infallible source.

 

a geneticist on a tv program claimed the real eve walked out of africa across the red sea (low water from ice age) and into eurasia about 80000 years ago iircc and they traveled into asia along the coast lines (easy food gathering at low tide ) all this from mitochondrial dna mapping ...if my great x1000 grandma was black ,how come i cant dance ??

 

Heres an interesting video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3993&hl=en

 

Ricky, Just a question?
If you can accept 7, why not accept 1?
If you think about it, even the evolutionary point of view, taken literally, would leave you no option than to say 1.
There must have been born the very first true homo sapientes and as such, she would then have been the evolutionists Eve. I am suggesting that her mother was 'not quite' Homo Sapientes, and so, there must have been 1 progenitor of the human line.

 

Who says I don't? My post above was pointing out that inbreeding has not been a problem for a Continent-full of people decended from 7 women.

 

You don't seem to understand the concept of inbreeding very well, Ricky. If generation after geneation marry their cousins, then you get the problems associated with inbreeding. With seven women you don't have to marry cousins even in the first generation. In fact you don't have to marry anyone with the same predecessors for several generations. You don't get inbred children by marrying you fifth-cousin.

 

7 vs 1

there is at least some hard evidence for 7. nothing but faith for the one. i was raised hard shell baptist. i started to doubt the bible as a true source when i discovered history and the various hard sciences. now i think of the bible as a guide book that uses tales and tradition to guide us. no doubt parts are literal truth but which parts? the book we have had been handed down from verbal traditions, translated and rewritten several times, and otherwise damaged as a prime source. i consider myself to be religious but a freethinker

 

Well, I go to church every Sunday here. It can be pretty convincing, I must admit. I even try to believe as hard as I can. But it just doesn't click. I have never been able to accept what they are saying - something in the back of my mind interrupts and says: "This does not make sense."

I am also increasingly annoyed with religous people. Examples:

Christian guy: "So Man, do you drink?"
Man: "Sure."
Christian guy: "How could you? I don't think anybody that truly loves themselves would drink. In fact, Verse 4:3 of Corinthians states: 'Thou shalt not drinketh beer, but mayeth tathte wyne."

Christian guy: "Do you listen to the Red Hot Chilli Peppers?"
Man: "Sometimes, yeah."
Christian guy: "Romans 1:7 states: 'Thy shall never give ear to those who praise Satan. I will pray for you tonight, Man."

Christian guy: "I don't think talking to girls is correct. I think the Bible has something against it somewhere. I will pray that I find it tonight."
Man: "Oh my God, you need to loosen up."
Christian guy: "YOU SAID THE L_RDS NAME IN VAIN! YOU WILL BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

Have you actually got into this spats with religous people ? or anything similar ?

 

Yep, although slightly exaggerated here. I have been told it is Satanic to listen to the Peppers, that I do not love myself because I drink, and that I will go to hell for my philandering.

:smok:

 

Ah, you must've ran into protestants, I'd say most likely some lutherans or pentecostals.

I've got into arguments with hardcore catholics over stuff like marriage, abortion , etc

The most I've ever heard in person is when a pentecostal pastor said to me and a group of people is that he hoped that we would except jesus, and that life without this acceptance would make you miserable.

 

It has been said that the biggest barrier to converting people to Christianity is Christians

 

haha, nice

 

I have always found Paul to be rather harsh & judgemental.

I can relate to Peter, because he is more gentle, human & frankly, "fallable". (Like me).

Personally give me Peter every time.

Theologically, I don't feel qualified to pass judgement.

Ghandi, if I am not mistaken.