Nazi War Criminals

Is there still any nazi war criminals at large from WW2 ?

 

Depends on what you mean by "At large".

There are some quite high rankers that were never caught and have not been totally proven to be dead (Isn't there still some doubt over whether Mengele's body has ever been found?), there are still occasionally those that end up getting tried for their crimes, but increasingly the trials are being dismissed because either the accused is too frail or too infirm to be tried, or simply no longer mentally capable of rendering testimony.

It wont be long now till those who did commit war-crimes on either side are no longer with us.

 

Those on "our" side didn´t have to worry, ever. Not just bomber Harris types but also simple Soviet privates who kicked (empty) vodka bottles in German womens´ genitals. Or those, whoever it was, who put American Japanese in concentration camps.

Was there anyone to sue British and American decisionmakers on behalf of the city of Dresden? Or on behalf of the civile victims´ families?

Jews have always, somehow, were effective with their claims. The tribal solidarity made testimonies to fit nicely. Strange that to this day nobody was able to extract an apology for Katyn form Russian president, while after shooting down an airliner with Israeli Jews on board, Ukraine shortly afterwards leased some military bases to the USA. Coincidence?

 

Probably so, since the Ukraine isn't the most prosperous country and in light of its internal troubles could use every foreign support it can get.

About the war criminals, it's almost impossible to trace them after 60 years and so yes, some of them will still be out there. Most have either been caught and trialed or are dead already, though. I believe that the death of Mengele was confirmed, but myths and rumours about such figures are easily spread.

 

yeah , Israel has done a good job of capturing nazi war criminals , they simply use their intellegence network to locate them , then they send a team of commandoes to capture them , as in the case of Eickmann , i dunno what his first name is , im just glad he got what he deserved.

 

Adolf Eichmann.

Come on, you could have guessed!

 

at large means they are still un-captured.

 

I was helping you out, the name of the war criminal you mentioned as having been captured by the Mossad was Adolf Eichmann.

 

We've had a couple of debates about the "war crimes" of Bomber Harris and the "innocence" of Dresden. And why stop with Dresden? What about Hamburg or Tokyo?
The Americans were not alone in putting Japanese in concentration camps, it happened in Canada as well. And the concentration camps bore little resemblance to those of the Third Reich.
To try and suggest that there was no cause and effect and that the Allies were as guilty as the Germans is a little niave.

 

I'm aware of the japanesse in canada , they were told to leave the country after the war had ended , they got an apology in 1988 from the federal government and reperations. Has the U.S apologized ? or given any compensation to the japanesse , the japanesse still haven't apologized for their treatment of allied POW's in WW2. They gave an apology , but it was barely an apology , the foreign minister barely seemd to care and didn't sound sincere

 

Spot on, its also highly insulting

 

Precisely. Canambridge went far too far. I am not comparing anybody with anybody.

But, of course, the destruction of Hamburg and Tokyo are also crimes against humanity. I mentioned just Dresden, Katyn because here we come closest to meaningless slaughter. The 20 or 30 000 Polish officer POWs were murdered due to political reasons: to decapitate Polish intellectual elite, just as the Soviets decapitated the old Russian one (this majority that didn´t manage to escape in time).

I don´t see any naivete in mentioning these crimes and consider canambridges remarks not only incorrect but also insulting.
It´s also strange that it is me who stresses the "other" crimes.

 

I was recently watching a program on war criminals , and some nazi war criminals were caught in Brazil and argentina (their neighbors had no clue about their true past) Joseph mangele died in Brazil; in 1979 due to heart attack while swimming. They mentioned one guy who was still alive , he was probably the most fanatical nazi of all, he said he did it once (the holocaust crimes he commited) and he would do it again. I'm just wondering what his name is ?

 

As far as I know the most fanatical Nazis of all are all dead: Hitler, Himmler, Göring, Heydrich, Göbbels, Hess, Mengele...

Re: the Allied "war crimes", only the Katyn massacre so far counts as a true atrocity, since it was a senseless slaughter of POWs. The bombings of cities with the specific purpose of murdering its inhabitants, while cruel and inhumane, were meant to shorten the war by breaking the enemy's morale, workforce and will to fight. Strategic bombing was abandoned after WW2 (with the exception of total annihilation, through nuclear weapons) because its effect was the contrary of what it was meant to accomplish. It was a weapon of total war, tried and discarded, not anything like genocide or mass murder because of social position.

 

There are lote more allied war crimes than that.

What about the millions of germans who died in soviet camps?
In every european country it conquered, the red army commited atrocities.

Or what about the millions of soviet refugees handed over to Stalin by the western allies in 1945 and which were later mostly killed.Western allies are as guilty as Stalin here.

Generally I do not regard bombing of cities as war crimes, but in some cases(Dresden being the most obvious one)where the main target was killing as many civilians as possible I think they can be qualified as war crimes.

 

Calling the internment of Japanese Americans a war crime is silly and devalues the very real crimes actually committed during the war.
They were not abused, were well cared for and had very low death rates. As to whether or not it violated their constitutional rights or was simply bad policy..that is a separate issue that has nothing to do with "war crimes".

 

I don´t think, Grieg, that this issue is representative of the crimes committed by the "goodies". Yes, they were not tortured or killed but ask the people, how they felt and, maybe, still feel about it. It was an antithesis of all the American ethos is about.

The case of utting the Japanese into concentration camps (the primary meaning of the term) also shoves into shadow everything else.
What I am heading to is:
the moral necessity of Nurnberg process for the other side. Even if only in public forum, in form of debates, symbolic gestures, apologies etc.

Just as the case of Stalin´s aggressive plans vs. Europe, the war crimes of the Allies are politically a taboo. One doesn´t want to relativize the Nazi crimes. For everybody it´s far beter to forget the whole thing. Still. if committed by the Germans, many of the acts would mean death sentence to many more.
Imagine the Germans dropping an A-bomb over New York to, say, convince the US to abandon bombing civilians in Germany. Imagine the probable repercussions of this.

 

But you just can't compare the two, basically. No matter what the Allies have done that is not morally defendable, and I admit that there are such cases indeed, there is simply no way that you can justify another "Nurnberg" in which heads will literally roll. Symbolic acts of apology are in order, but if the former enemy refuses to apologize for its crimes (much worse in magnitude and arbitrariness) then do they deserve an apology for what the Allies did to them?

 

Huh? No insult intended, but since the topic is "Nazi War Crimes" and you brought up Dresden, the American internement of Japanese, etc., it certainly looked like you were comparing somebody with somebody. And what incorrect statement did I make?
Please don't take it personally, I was just expressing my opinion, same as you. It's a dull world if we all agree all the time.

 

Just this one sentence, Canambridge. For, I am not in any way comparing. I think of these acts independently:

"that the Allies were as guilty as the Germans is a little niave."

You are of course right: this is a forum called Nazi war crimes. Still, I did not say anything like: "Allies were equally guilty" but just wanted to say that the Allies were also committing crimes, which hitherto have not been punished and barely mentioned - usually not as crimes.

Grieg also thinks that even mentioning the persecution of the Japanese Americans (as one would say today) in the form of effectively ostracizing them, segregating them of the rest of society and taking one of the basic rights from the - freedom, without trial and guilt, is silly!
The same Grieg who hails freedom, liberalism in all and every form! It seems to me a case of a truly selective liberalism.