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Do not try to claim subjects to be beyond discussion. Everything can be debated, as long as this is done on the basis of reasonable arguments.

Che: I understand that you put a lot of feeling into that post but, like Ricky said, talking about Islam or any religion takes respect for the sensitivity of the subject.

Re: your "communism with American values", that mix is impossible because one of those American values is fear of communism. Also, American values with regard to freedom of property rule out anything like communism.

 

pfft che is a kid with no brain and no respect either
what a pitty that i cant show pictures of the millins of woman that were burned alive in the name of the bible

 

history has repeated itselft in one form or another, the catholics and protestants killing each other during the middle ages and now sunnis and shiite muslims laying into each other in iraq

 

And roel what do you mean ?
do you want to tell me that it is an argument to show a woman that is going to be stoned and then telling me the quran isnt worth enough for the toillet that is a serious insultation

i can also show many many paintings of horribl crimes that were comited in the name of jesus christ from witch burnigs to the crusades and the conqustadores, inquisition and the murder of many scintists and then i tell you your bible isnt worth a shit
i didnt behave like this i have respect and tolerance wich he obvisly hasnt got
to other religions
and this statement of a american value communism shows me that he is a complete nutter

 

the picture is not an arguement but a source/evidence being used to aid the argument, i've used a few horrorific pictures of holocaust victims and battle victims before as a source in pieces of history coursework and in my opinion it makes snse to use it. We all now the horrible attrocites that both religions have commited over the time that they've excisted and has always made me curious why we've never sorted these problems out, is it due to the minority of fanactics on both sides?

 

It seems things are getting a bit rough on the edges here.
I agree that Che's message could have been brought a bit more delicately to say the least.
However stating that he has no brain and what not does not help maintaining the pleasent atmosphere on this forum, nor does it contribute to the discussion in any way.
It seems the misunderstanding started with castelot making the claim that the islam was intolerant.
However according to Al Amin it is not the islam that is intolerant, but some of it's followers and/or nations where the islam is the prescribed religion.
Also note that nobody claims that the church, or christian religion can't be held responsible for cruel and gruesome actions.
I hope that this along with the other posts helps getting everybody back to the original issue and that the members involved can sort out their differences or let it be.

Dave more or less repeats my question, what exactly causes this kind of fights (on both large and small scales), and how could they be resolved?
In a hint of irony, we have now seen one of the possible causes.

 

hey dave all this bullshit was not comited by religions it was comited by humans that used religion to justifie their crimes dont you understand the diffrence religion is divine and good and harms nobody
that way i dont hate christian faith but after this childish nutter che i must really hate it because of all the millions of death and tortured people all over the world

 

Stop it, Al Amin.

I told Che to cool down and treat other religions with at least a measure of respect even when criticizing them. Ricky did the same. Now we must give him a chance to do this, to argue in a reasonable fashion why Islam would be so evil, and he cannot do this if you keep insulting him, which isn't allowed in the first place.

Why are you suddenly attacking Christianity with the exact same words Che used to describe Islam? It turns you into the exact same evil he represents from your point of view.

 

dont you read my post proberly ?
i said if i had a mind like che i would have enough resons to hate christian faith for all the crimes that were comited in the name of jesus all over the world but i never posted such stuff about any religion
i said this to show you that you cant say quran is for the toillet because a
woaman being stoned
if you argue like this i can give you more examples why bible is for the toillet
but i NEVER done this because i posses something that is called respect

 

You are doing it now. You are defending Islam by making Christianity look as bad as Che is describing Islam. It is irrelevant.

 

Al Amin, you have made your point, repeatedly. Once was enough. We do understand that he did cross a big line, which is why we are not being overly corrective with you, but please stop.

Now wait for Che to respond.


As an awkward question while we wait - Islam basically calls itself God's third attempt to create a working religion, after the failure of Judaism and Christianity.
Do you think that, as Islam has apparently also suffers from mis-interpretations and 'evil acts in the name of God' then you could make a case that Islam is failing too?

 

no christianity and jewery hasnet failed you must see it like a house the judaism is the fundament christianity are the walls and islam is the roof all this together is the house we all live in
a religion is not failed because humans abuse them for their goals its a shame that this happens but no tora bible or quran is worth for the toillette
these epiphanies are divine presents from god

 

I don't.

In fact, more than 2 billion people don't.

Interesting analogy...

 

But every Muslim that I have discussed religion with (up until you) has told me that the order of things is this:

God wanted a way to relate to his people - God made Judaism
Judaism failed - God made Christianity
Christianity failed - God made Islam

I like your theory - although personally I would say that Judaism is the foundation and Christianity the house on top, but hey

 

but you are always welcome in our house
but if you come you should live upstairs we have a balcony added :lol:

 

Next question, in a genuine search for knowledge -

Muslim paradise/heaven.

Much is made of the whole 'lots of drink & virgins' thing, especially in the western media, as they claim that this is what suicide bombers are promised. (Link to the hashashins & the Old Man of the Mountains)

My questions are:
Is this the standard heaven for everybody, or just martyrs?
What do women get in paradise/heaven?

 

no that virgin thing is only for martyrs.
but in the last time we also had female martyrs in palestine or checenia but in that case i dont know whats awaiting them it would be just fair to give them also male virgins or what ever they wish

 

lol - I doubt many women would want a bunch of male virgins.

So is there a standard heaven for non-martyrs then, or is is a bit mysterious as in Christianity?

 

i would say its the same paradise wich also the christians and jews belive in but why is the christian paradise mysterious

 

Mysterious in so far as nobody knows exactly what it will be.

The Bible gives a number of indications, but Theologians still argue over what heaven will be like. Although they all agree on one point - God will be there, and it will be good.