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Richeliu vs Bismarck vs KGV vs Vittorio Veneto

Discussion in 'The War at Sea' started by Blaster, Jan 18, 2007.

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  1. Blaster

    Blaster New Member

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    And as long as no one on the KGV goofs, like some guy did on SoDak at Guadalcanal, a KGV shouldn't be pounded into a pulp by a Twin. I think 29 knots are already pretty good.
     
    Blaster, Feb 11, 2007
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    If KGV can't best a Renown...!
    Scharnhorst had thicker belt and barbette armor than Bismarck, but she did not have "more" armor. Bismarck was not well armored, but Scharnhorst was pathetic.
     
    Tiornu, Feb 11, 2007
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    Yeah, Tiornu. If a KGV can't best a Renown then something's weird.
     
    Blaster, Feb 12, 2007
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    Edited :
    Sorry I forgot AND. Yes I really think the Scharnhorst og Gneisenau were TOO weakly armed.
    Even the planned but never implemented upgrade to 6 15 inch guns was really a major improvement in a fight against a modern BB
     
    CometFan, Feb 13, 2007
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    An inferior ship can theoretically best a superior one if the circumstances are right.
     
    corpcasselbury, Mar 2, 2007
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    And if the newer, larger ship CAN'T best the older, smaller ship?
     
    Tiornu, Mar 2, 2007
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    Then either the newer ship is having technical difficulties, or conditions just happened to be right for the older ship, or pure luck. Or maybe something else.
     
    Blaster, Mar 2, 2007
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    It can always be a crappy design....

    Nothing to do with crappy design but what all or nothing armor layout will mean...
    http://polyticks.com/bbma/jeanbart.htm


    Just a nice shot of the Jean Bart (refurbished but i think the end is near for her...)
    [​IMG]
     
    Ome_Joop, Mar 3, 2007
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  9. Tiornu

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    That web site is mistaken. The visible damage was not caused by shells but by bombs carrying more than ten times as much explosive.
     
    Tiornu, Mar 3, 2007
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    When was JEAN BART scrapped?
     
    corpcasselbury, Mar 3, 2007
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  11. Tiornu

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    Jean Bart, 1970. Richelieu, 1968.
     
    Tiornu, Mar 3, 2007
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    Tiornu could you explain why it is bomb damage and not shell damage?
    I found a lot of (web)sources saying it was shell damage (USS Massachusetts).
     
    Ome_Joop, Mar 4, 2007
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    There were two types of shell hits on JB--those that exploded within the armored structure and those that didn't explode. In either case, the only outward signs would be the relatively small points of impact and exit.
     
    Tiornu, Mar 4, 2007
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    So are you saying that MASSACHUSETTS didn't hit JEAN BART at all?
     
    corpcasselbury, Mar 5, 2007
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    There were two types of shell hits on JB.
    They both came from Massachusetts.
     
    Tiornu, Mar 5, 2007
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    Ok, Tiornu, thanks for clearing that up. ;)
     
    corpcasselbury, Mar 8, 2007
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    that ship was huge
     
    Miller phpbb3, Mar 12, 2007
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  18. corpcasselbury

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    Battleships tend to be pretty big.
     
    corpcasselbury, Mar 13, 2007
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    imagine the yamato!!!!( JB 35,000 vs 62,000)
     
    me262 phpbb3, Mar 13, 2007
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    Max. Displacement of JB was 49.850 t!
    Maybe you are confusing the JB with a Dunkerque class Bb (JB was a Richelieu class!)?
     
    Ome_Joop, Mar 14, 2007
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