Death rate by country

I like scanning the CIA World Fact book. Ocasionally you run across an intersting factoid that makes you go hmm.

Where does your country fit in the ranking?
I wonder why the death rate is higher in Europe than in the US?
With all our crazed gun-toting killers running about and with homeless people dying all around us and the worst health care system in the world, it seems odd. Any theories?

link to page:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2066rank.html

 

Are you including eastern europe ?. If so, then it's not surprising. Western/central europe has a higher life expectancy than the USA.

 

Life expectancy and death rate aren't the same thing. The list is broken down by country I just happened to note that nearly every western European country had a higher death rate that the US.

 

According to this page North Korea, and Iraq have a lower death rate than both the USA and the EU...


Well I'll be dammned

 

The raw death rate of a country is of little value, because there are many factors which may influence it. It can't be compared to life expectancy.

For example: If the birth rate of a country is falling, the death rate will increase, because the general population is getting relatively older and thus the per capita risk of dying will be greater.
This might be the case, even if the population figure does not show a decline comparable to the difference between the death and birth rates. If the immigration makes up for the difference, the population figure will stay the same, but the average age of the population will increase, leading to an increased death rate.

Declining birth rates and increased immigration is takes place in most western countries, which explains why the death rate of these countries is placed in the middle of the table.

 

The people borned in the so-called "baby-boom" after ww2 are getting old now, in Denmark we have a large elderly population and I think that also goes for other european countries....

But I still wonder why there is this ongoing compatision between Europe and USA?

and I also wonder why Iraq is placed as 186 on that list.......

 

What you say is true(up to a point). The point I would debate is that if a country is experiencing immigration to offset the aging population I don't think that the average age of the population would increase. Countries experiencing an influx of immigrants tends to have a decrease in average age typically.
In any case IMO it still is a good rough measure of a country's state of vitality. After all if a country's population is aging and not being renewed it certainly says something about the future course of that country.

 

Why not? This forum is made up of two dominant groups; the larger being Euros and the smaller being Americans. Seems logical.
Besides, with no controversial topics to debate this forum tends to become quite dull IMO.

Kinda makes you wonder about the accuracy of the claims (by some) of millions of Iragis being killed by the US, doesn't it?

 

is this forum not to have a community where we have a commen interrest no matter nationality?

I dont believe in the claims that US are killing Iraqis in their 1000s everyday, but a fact is that 100s are killed every week by other muslims, dont they count in the statistics or dont their lifes not matter at all?

 

North Americans. There are quite a few canadians and they contribute almost as much to this forum as the yankees do, especially me and Blaster.

 

Depends on who you ask. To some, the lives of the Iraqi people hold no value at all; their own agendas are more important than human life. And that's a sad commentary on humanity.

Jens, you appear to be an idealist; it's been a long time since I had the pleasure of meeting one of those.

 

I take that as a compliment....

I dont know if Im an idealist or not, I just try to look at the facts...sometimes I get it wrong, sometimes I get it right..

but when you everyday on TV see the many bodies of iraqis in the streets of the iraqi cities, then I start to question that list over death rates where Iraq is 186

Here you have a country where people is getting killed every week, if not everyday (no claim on who is killing them) and beside that you also have all the natural couses of death (Im not sure the iraqi health system is the best in the world)
so natural couses of death plus all the killings would give a high death rate
unless the people that is getting killed is those who would have died from natural couses anyway at that time of their killing...but that is highly unlikely

 

Question does not 2007 Est. mean that it is the "estimate" for that year?

Scroll down to where is says est.

I think it is quite easy to say that estimates are very and are generally inaccurate. Take for example the death toll that the Khmer Rouge is responsible for in Cambodia. It ranges from 800,000 as claimed by Pol Pot himself to 3.5 million. Actually that is a horrible example, but I think you should be able to get the point.

 

Those who made those estimations must be very optimistic.....
there have been killings going on for the last few years in Iraqi, should 2007 be different? not for what we have seen by now....and I dont think 2008 would be much more different neither

 

In a nation of 27 million people the total number of people being killed by bothUS forces and by the insurgents is miniscule and not nearly of a magnitude sufficient to significantly affect the overall death rate.

 

The data are entirely estimates. Most of the information compiled by the CIA as well as by other agencies that compile such data bases is based on estimates.

 

Yes, you sure do... I saw this today and immediately thought of this thread

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stori ... 8231&EDATE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

 

Where does your country fit in the ranking?


https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

 

you started a comparing by wondering why death rate is lower in USA then in Europe...
and I questioned the list because I found it odd that Iraq is 186 on it and I still question the list because of that, it might be true that Iraq is 186, but I question it and when I can question that, then why not the rest of the list also?

and now you take things to literally, its the idea behind pointing fingers of other countries and there way of living I was pointing out with the "our healthcare is better then yours" and "we are cleaver and smarter then you"
and if I remember right there was a topic with education on this forum where it also were a compatition between USA and Europe, called "American Ignorance?"
http://www.fun-online.sk/forum/viewtopi ... sc&start=0

and we also had a healthcare topic: http://www.fun-online.sk/forum/viewtopi ... healthcare

and you still did not give me a valid reason for the compatition between EU and USA in these matters

 

I did. And I still wonder why this is so. I have heard some interesting theories in response but I'm still not sure why this is so.

I gave one rationale for Iraq not being higher on the list. We can't say for certain if it is the definitive reason but I think that is most probable.

You can. Questioning anything substantive in the debate isn't the same thing as questioning why someone would ask decide to have a debate.

Perhaps I am taking your comments too literally but I was involded in both those debates and I don't recall either debate as being the way you characterize it.

Competition is the way you describe it. I cited the ranking list and wondered why the US was lower on the list then most European countries, just as others wondered why Iraq or Cuba or some other countries were lower than either the US or Europe.

I find the debate interesting which is reason enough for me. Evidently it is interesting enough for you to join in also.