the ten year plan to save humanity ?

it now seems there is pretty much complete agreement among climate scientists that warming is being caused by us and we must act swiftly to avert the end of life as we know it ..if we start drasticly cutting emissions right now we can turn it arround in ten years ..both of things cause me much worrie ...fisrt that they (climate experts ) all pretty much agree ...this would suggest that they are prolly right ,

some members here have suggested that they are driven by some political agenda and are useing scare tactics to gain their end ...this seems unlikely to me given that scientists tend to be fairly apolitical people who are mostly ambivelent about wealth ( remember those guys in high school with tape on their glasses and briefcases and slide rules ..they didnt care much about cars or chicks or football games ) they werent political activeists either ..they got A grades and played chess at lunch and spent extra time in the chemistry lab .
....WELL ,,if they are right , heres the second scarrie thing ,lets face it , we aint gonna do squat about co2 emissions , not this year , not next year ...not 3 years from now ..china is building and bringing online a new coal power plant every week ..jumbo jets will still fly ,suvs will still be bought ,im going to drive to work and so are you guys..i hope to take my wife on a cruise to mexico next spring seven days of going for a boat ride in a big smokeing co2 pump , down and then back ....
when do we start the ten year plan are we going to do it all in the eighth or ninth year ? , i think iircc we were supposed to acually start it last year...

 

Of course, all scientists are like this... :roll:

Environmental change is a very serious problem, but the way it is presented in the media right now is little more than political, personal or corporational scare tactics. Facts are misrepresented, ideas not fully thought through, and most of all, emphasis is put on getting the message out there rather than getting the message right. It ends up being a massive heap of teeth-gritting irony most of the time.

Al Gore getting a Nobel Prize for peace?! What did he ever do to promote something as utterly political as peace? How does a documentary about climate change promote peace, when in fact the scarcities and problems it points out are more likely to cause wars in the future? Does anyone honestly believe that awareness of these dangers will prevent wars that haven't even happened yet?

Has anyone pointed out yet that Al Gore is not exactly the most environment-friendly consumer in existence? I guess "do as I say, don't do as I do" still fully applies...

 

believe in it if you want when thousands of scientists have said its wrong.

 

Those of you living outside Norway must wonder what the Nobel Peace Price Committee are thinking about from time to time. But it's quite simple. Al Gore didn't get the prize for anything he did, he got the prize because the committee wanted to make a political statement against George Bush. The Nobel Peace Prize has been regarded as a joke in Norway since Arafat & Co got it. Perhaps the rest of the world should stop taking it so seriously and begin to see it as the political instrument it has become as well?

 

That was most instructive, Skua. Thanks.

When I was small I used to think Arafat was kind of a good guy because he was always in the news when there were talks about peace in Israel. It wasn't until later that I found out he was one of the main reasons why such talks were ever needed in the first place.

 

The leftist media and Hollywood promote Al Gore but most Americans don't like him nor trust him (he is a politician after all).

I remember several years ago when all the entertaiment industry was up in arms due to Gore and his wife etc, trying to censor music and movies sold in stores. He is reason records have warning lables. Now I see the same musicians who were very outspoken against him in the past are now inviting him to concerts and such. :roll:

 

Well, actually if the climate does change and humanity gets snuffed out... the world will be very peaceful. So we should maybe just tell Gore to keep quiet...

 

We must remember that Al Gore is responsible for inventing the internet. He'a also an Astronaut so I feel the world is safe with a man of his intellect and vision the protect us. :roll:

Besides, this whole global warming deal could be a good thing and he is just wanting to alert eveyone to the upcoming opportunities. Now that glaciers and ice fields are melting, this newly exposed land will be able to provide settlements, farming and industry for many people. This will help to ease overpopulation of the world. When these icebergs thaw, that is releasing millions of gallons of fresh water that can be used to supply communities that do not have clean drinking water. See, sometimes you just have to think positive.

 

Apparently, the Nobel commitee said that if global warming gets severe there will be lack of resources, land, etc and that would cause wars. I may be putting words in their mouths, though

 

I've heard it said that one of the ways to keep a populace in-check and under-control is to keep them living in fear... of something. It keeps them off-balance and unable to criticize their government and leadership.
They will then learn to depend on their government to keep them safe... becoming helpless in the process.

Might be some truth to that.

Tim

 

Sounds very plausible.

The whole time the dems and repubs will tell you it was them who saved us while the others were trying to exploit the situation.

 

if the world changes as per chicken little al gore , there will be widespread desertifacation and huge population shifts inland resulting in wars aplenty for all ...again , almost all climate scientists are in virtual lockstep with gore ..they claim the debate is OVER ...is this a conspiracy and if so ..to what end ? where is the big payoff for this entire would be hoax ...i would like to belive they are wrong and its just sunspots ect but i have a sinking feeling that they are not bullshitting us ...

 

The world is in fact getting warmer. What they can't prove is whether it is due to mankind or just a natural cycle the Earth goes through.

 

actually the world is getting warmer faster than they thought it was in 1996 and the scientists who claim the warming is not man made are a tiny fraction of the scientists who say it is , whats more these naysayers are not climate experts ..i belive they call this a quorem ,CLIMATE scientists are virtually all on one side of the fence now ,including many how have jumped since 98 .hall and crichton are not climate experts nor is the guy who schills for exxon ...

.. attacking al gore is a non sequitar ,is it not ? , forget about gore , he is only the messenger ..lets look at the message again and much has changed since 1996 so lets not use those arguments as they have been passed by this is 08 and we have new data ..im not a scientist but arent you guys concerned when the clmate experts are ALL in agreement that this warming tend is not a natural cycle ?

 

As far as I know, the consensus is that the current warming up of the atmosphere is a natural climatic cycle enhanced by human activity. In other words, it would have been there anyway, but we've made it worse.

 

Some scientists (who I am inclined to agree with) say that since it is, as Woody said, a given that we're never going to reduce global warming, we might as well spend money PREPARING ourselves for it, instead of throwing it away slowing down a process that we cannot stop... Things like preparing to cultivate land in a different climate, and developing cleaner energy...

 

I'm sure I've said this before...

No, they can't prove it yet. However, I'm fairly sure that if they ever could prove it, they'd only be able to do so after it was too late. Even if the world is warming naturally, the crap we're dumping into the system really can't be helping.

 

I agree. However, western societies discharge fewer pollutants now than we did 40 years ago although the developing world and countries with no evironmental concerns are polluitng at a much higher rate. How do you convince countries like China, India and Mexico to implement modern environmental standards?

 

we cant and they wont ...

 

Some stats, from the UN

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7056601.stm

Some interesting things in there to mull over.