Che Guevara ,40 Years from his death.

Commando:
Understood. We have both Mennonite and Amish communities in our state.

What many in these groups--those who objected to military service--failed to realize was that their very way of life, free from religious persecution, was at stake were the war to be lost.

Regardless of religious conviction, some weren't savvy enough to connect the dots. The threat was real... and God was indeed on our/their side.

Tim

 

From a nationalist point of view, no American was ever forced to "defend his way of life" because the Germans were incapable of launching an invasion to occupy American territory and the Japanese were apparently only interested in seizing strategically important islands. Jehovah's Witnesses who refused to fight would eventually end up with exactly the same amount of religious freedom as anyone who did answer the call.

I don't think it's an excuse, but it does mean they weren't being unreasonable by refusing to fight.

 

Refusing to fight is one thing; flatly refusing to serve in any way, shape, or form is quite another. That I cannot respect.

 

If they dont fight, put them in jobs state side or gaurding prison camps.

 

Yeah.

 

What was so brutal about Che's execution? He was a bastard.

He wasn't a saint himself, having no qualms about assuming the role of Tarzan in the Congo and executing political opponents.

 

Excecuted by "Civil Rights,liberal democratic" USA,in some scool yard,but first shoot him in leggs just to look like hes killed in combat,to get glory and avoid public judge ,then mutilate his corps from who know what reason,is brutal by my definition.

 

The brutality of an execution is measured by comparing it to other executions, not to the person who is being executed.

 

And?

He got what he dished out, in a warzone he himself helped create.

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they didnt torture him...... I agree with sinissa he started the warzone and he got what he dished out. why defend him?

 

Che was not executed by the USA. He was executed on the orders of the Bolivian president. The execution was carried out by a Bolivian soldier, who was reportedly drunk as the result of a birthday celebration. Che's hands were removed by a Bolivian Army surgeon after his death for fingerprint identification (they were later returned to Cuba).
The US CIA and Army were trying to help the Bolivians to find Che and there was a CIA agent present at Che's capture who directed that the wounds be made to look like they were the result of combat.
There is also reason to believe that the Soviet KGB helped leak information that led the Bolivians to Che. Since Che had rejected Soviet communism and was pro Chinese and was taking his direction from Havana, he was not held in high regard by the Soviets.
Che is also reported to have tried to convince his captors that he was worth more to them alive than dead, rather than the more melodramatic "Shoot cowards, you are only killing a man!".
Che's record as a revolutionary was poor, his efforts in the Congo and Bolivia were failures, as was his tenure as Cuba's Minister of Industries. And he managed to shoot himself in the face during the Bay of Pigs period.

 

I suppose you could respect him as a "keep trying no matter how many attempts blow up in your face" type of figure. But a successfull revolutionary? Good human being? No.

 

well arent you awesome,
I would certainly not be able to bring myself to shoot such a handsome young man... The wispy goatee, beret, and that wild, untamed hair... Is it any wonder he found his way onto the T-shirts of so many young university girls?

 

Thank you I take it as a compliment.

As for the T-Shirts the people who were them usually have no idea who the guy is and what he is about.

 

Now that I agree with.

 

He is symbol.Spirit. Ppl see him like that and notthing more.

It was not easyer way just to get fingerprints from whole body and just send them from transport his arms ? (not just hand,whole arms)

 

I see him for what he is, a terrorist.

 

Agreed. And an inept one, to boot.

 

tiso ..stalin and mao run some of the most repressive and murderous regiems in history ,in ww2 all places liberated by stalin went communist (by popular vote ,of course ) and stayed communist ..millions of people died just trying to leave these stalinist and maoist utopias , for 60 years the us govt has strived to keep anyplace else from going red ( especially in our own backyard ) and we have supported at times some unsavory govts to do this ...in ww2 we supported the arch thug stalin ...why because we loved the soviets ? ...noooo...because he was at that time the lesser of the two evils ..did the cia play dirty pool ? well yes they did but then they were up against some rather tough and brutal customers and a very uneven playing field ...ie..was it harder in 1962 to insert an agent into britain or poland ..into east germany or canada ..into mainland china or hong kong..into cuba or florida ? che wanted to "liberate" bolivia ,we prefered that he did not ..today people still cross hundreds of miles of shark infested waters in tiny homemade rafts ( or die trying ) fleeing from the wonderland che helped create ..this is che`s very real legacy ....every che t shirt should have underneath a picture or a frantic swimming cuban girl trying to fend off bull sharks with her remaining hand and we could ask " what happened to her other hand ...and her other foot too ? " ... VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!

 

I totally agree!