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  1. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    wm, I get >400 at three other servers. Still ~15 times fast than two weeks ago. I'm good.
     
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    But AT&T is still evil.
    In your post, there is "AT&T" on both sides of the "GO."
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    speedtest.net gives away those servers to internet providers, so "AT&T St. Louis" is under control of AT&T, not speedtest.net.

    In that server, there is a switch that prevents AT&T clients (like you) from using that server - and they didn't activate it.
    Because 900+ is better than 400+ and because they are evil.
     
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    That's a different thing. It's like sunbathing on the equator at 12:00 AM or frying an enemy warrior over a campfire.

    Radio waves/sunlight/infrared light(from the campfire) are mass of photons, photons impacting skin raise its temperature. The more of them the greater temperature.
    The Jim Creek transmitter, microwave ovens, campfires are dangerous for the same reason - heat.

    But actually there is a difference between radio waves, sunlight, and infrared light. The difference is how much energy a single photon carries.
    A radio photon carries a little, an infrared light photon more, a visible light photon even more.
    An ultraviolet photon carries so much it's capable to tear apart molecules, for example, DNA molecules. And that could mean cancer.
    So we have sun creams, not to stop sunlight but the ultraviolet light in it.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Wm. that didn't make much sense to me.
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    We're still living in caves and starting fires by rubbing two sticks together here in rural Minnesota. I'm surprised we don't use party lines.

    Ping 57 Download 5.07 Upload .90

    And yeah, that's a "point" nine on the upload.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    The speedtest people tell me that the numbers they show are the ones at my computer.
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    I just received (by snail mail) an offer from our internet provider stating for a nominal fee I could have "up to" 100MB. I kinda' doubt that as the lines are old style telephone wires and we're a good 12-15 miles away from the hub. The state of Minnesota has been promising and sometime bragging that the entire state will have broadband but after sending a email to the department running the show was told "Well we'd like to have that but the cost is exceedingly high". Meaning we'll get something in 10 to 20 years. Just when I'll need it, when I'm buried.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Zero is "up to".
     
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    Impossible, only fiber or a radio link could do that.
     
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    It's the speed between your computer and the measuring server.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Yes.
     
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    Well that was marginally coherent.

    It's not just how much energy an individual photon carries it's how manly there are and how they react to the human body. Microwaves are "radio waves" some radio waves, they happen to interact with molecules (in particular water molecules) very efficiently. So no it's not different.
     
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    Not true at all. First, "how manly there are and how they react to the human body" means nothing and explains nothing.
    "it's not different" means even less.
    And molecules don't interact with radio waves and even microwaves. Polar molecules do, for example, molecules of water.
    "happen to interact with molecules" - "happen", i.e. the so-called just-because-fallacy is unscientific.

    According to the electromagnetic wave theory, the oscillating electric field of electromagnetic radiation causes movement of polar molecules (or ions) and increases their energy/temperature. All electromagnetic frequencies can do that.
    But low frequencies oscillate slowly so the transferred energy is low, it's estimated the heating begins for real at 10MHz.
    And very high frequencies can't penetrate deep into substances so the transferred energy is low too.
    Electric properties of polar molecules and ions are important too. There are some sweet spots, for example for water it's about 10 GHz, but still most microwave ovens use 2+ GHz or even 900+ MHz.

    Radio waves, microwaves, infrared light, light = non-ionizing radiation (i.e. photons increase the energy of molecules)
    Ultraviolet light, X-rays, gamma rays = ionizing radiation (i.e. photons destroy molecules)

    Non-ionizing is safe. The other is not.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Then don't use a phone in manner that puts you at a perceived risk.
     
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    On an average sunny day, the sun deposits as much electromagnetic energy into your body as ten phones.

    The danger is the electromagnetic energy from your phone could be concentrated by some freak accident in a tiny spot and by heat alone will fry some delicate part of your body, for example, your eye.
    But for that, you have to press the phone into your eye for many minutes. And still, you need a very badly designed phone to be successful.

    But your phone will not give you cancer, its electromagnetic radiation is inherently not up to the task.
     
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    To someone who doesn't know what he's talking about and doesn't want to know it may mean nothing. To the rest of us it certainly does. As to it explaining something it explains why your initial and subsequent posts were flawed.
    See above.
    Ah I see polar molecules aren't molecules ... at least in your world view. Of course that's rather flawed in any case. Atoms and molecules both absorb energy at various places in the electromagnetic spectrum.
    Only in your imagination.
    It's a bit more complicated and a bit different than that. While polar molecules may be easier to excite all molecules and indeed even atoms can be "excited" by the right frequency of electro magnetic energy. How much heat or energy is absorbed depends not only on frequency but on intensity.
    Source please.
    ???? That explains why xrays are so useful or wait it doesn't does it.
    [qutoe] ...
    Radio waves, microwaves, infrared light, light = non-ionizing radiation (i.e. photons increase the energy of molecules)
    Ultraviolet light, X-rays, gamma rays = ionizing radiation (i.e. photons destroy molecules)

    Non-ionizing is safe. The other is not.[/QUOTE]
    Ah tell that to some of the sailors who got to close for to long to the radar transmitters on their ships.
     
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    I don't think of cell phones as particularly dangerous but the above looks like you are trying to change my mind. The cell phone is held near one particualry important part of my body that's composed of a lot less than 10%. The implication being that the cell phone is dumping more energy into that area every day than the sun does my entire body.
    Personally I consider my brain an important part of my body and if you hold it to the same ear in the same way every day ...
    An assumption that appears to be a bit of an exaggeration. I'd go with extremely unlikely but all it takes to give cancer is enough energy to break molecular bonds and some are quite weak. As risk go not one I'm worried about but that doesn't mean it's nonexistent.
     
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    Other than voodoo science there's no support for this.
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    So you're saying the phone company is lying ? I'm aghast.
     
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    Depends on what you mean by "this". I suspect there is a very slight chance of a cell phone causing a cancer all it takes is to have the wrong molecule break up or form at the wrong time. Putting energy into the system can facilitate either.. I also suspect that the odds on getting cancer from breathing the air in most small towns in the US is significantly higher.
     

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