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  1. Biak

    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    I've been reading about UFO's for nearly sixty years and I'm still waiting. And not just in a casual way. For a few years I tried to read every book, magazine or other article I could get my hands on. The one thing I've come away with is, If we have /are getting help either back-engineering or direct assistance why aren't we More advanced than we are. Years ago I was able to talk to someone who had very good knowledge of the subject from decades of military service and when they told me to go back and see the actual rate of gains we have gotten over the years. Each 'jump' in technology only came after years of research, trial and error. What the general public sees is the finished product not the assembly line.
    Here's the thing I question; we know (somewhat) about the next Gen 6 but what about Gen 7-10? Anybody want to bet they're already out there?
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I spent a year reading UFO material to save my wife time when she started her Ph.D. I was profoundly unimpressed with the tripe they foist off on UFO ... fans.
     
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    CAC Ace of Spades

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    UFOs (sightings and such) and Earth based tech (from the 50s) are two different fish these days...
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    How so ?

    I remember a conversation with my uncle in the mid 70's and after his tease of taking me over to Edwards AFB if I came out, the topic turned to various things relating to our capabilities in the air and space. He had been in the missile business since the late 1950's and I pressed him on ufo's and just what we were able to do back then. The F15 was the premier fighter at the time and naturally I ask about what was down the road. We had been to the Moon by then and that was accomplished with virtually 1950's tech when it came to engines and ground control; with some improvements on existing old proven concepts. He finally said simply, "Plasma". Now we're over 40 years later and still refining what was then futuristic propulsion research.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    They're called "UFOs" because "flying saucers" sounded silly. So now "UFO" sounds silly.

    And why the "U" when you've already identified it as an alien spacecraft?
     
  6. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    Because most UFOs aren't alien space craft or flying saucers…would you prefer Foo fighters? (now that's tying in WW2 into this subject)
    This is one of the last sightings I've spotted of the TR3s...buzzing past the ISS

     
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    CAC Ace of Spades

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    with respect, it’s rarely the services who are ‘in though know’ - Even project bluebook was headed by a civilian scientist with a Military baby sitter...the services offer the infrastructure, the grunt work and the guinea pigs.
    If you watch today’s science, we are learning more and more about the fabric of space, the shape of our universe and it’s constituents...this is really where today’s science and engineering should be looking for clues on how to navigate it. The tech side of things is almost entirely very skilled and brilliant minded civilians...plasma was and still is an ongoing idea for propulsion, although how it is to be harnessed has changed over the years...and still not powerful enough to take us to the stars unfortunately.
    We used to think one had to fold space to get to distant places...now, we know that space is already folded, so it is now how do we connect the two sides...and tomorrow we will know more still. What is/should be becoming clear is not all knowledge is shared. NASA was frozen out of the ‘alien tech’ program as far back as the 80s...and the military soon after.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I saw a triangular UFO not far from Belleville, where the original triangular UFO was seen. It was 2 AM and I was under the flight pattern for Lambert Field, St. Louis. Perfect triangle that resolved itself into the landing lights for an airplane. Same thing happened at Belleville, except the airplane zoomed sideways as the tale grew in the telling. Anyone who had watched a triangular UFO for more than a minute would have been able to resolve it into a IFO if they had wanted to. But nobody gets on the telly news by reporting they saw a mundane IFO.
     
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    CAC Ace of Spades

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    You may be right...on the other hand I live in Darwin where aircraft fly over head all the time...both civilian and military...all times of the day and night, and I’ve never seen a perfect triangle...certainly not during the day either. (Especially close up)
    But I like your thinking, scepticism is the mentally healthy place to start.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    The one I saw was less than two hundred feet above me, I clearly heard the engine noise. And it was about 1:30 AM.
    But that doesn't get you on the telly, now do it.
     
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    So would you say this is a normal aircraft that just looks like a triangle...this is the Manta...slightly different from the 3-B

    ‘This video was sent to me. It depicts a second generation vehicle that was originally designed by Nikola Tesla. There is a Tesla coil in the center of the vehicle and three tertiary coils in the three corners of the triangle. All the coils connect their ground to the surface of the vehicle. When the coils are in resonance, a space bubble is formed that separates the space inside the vehicle from the space outside, similar to the structure of a soap bubble. When the space bubble is formed, gravity no longer is exchanged between the vehicle and the surrounding environment. The Earth's gravity has no effect on it. The vehicle just floats as though it was in Interstellar space. The propulsion system is worked out be controlling the magnetic and electrostatic fields inside the space bubble, which interact with the magnetic and electrostatic fields of the surrounding space by induction. This video shows that the technology has been further extended beyond Tesla's understanding and that it can also bend space. The bright ball of light it had formed at the end caused the bending of space and after the vehicle was safely inside, the space was released and the vehicle became resident to a new space. It was instantaneous travel.’

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    TR-3B Anti-Gravity Spacecrafts

    And yet a different explanation...one I’ve heard more about...

    ‘It doesn't exist officially. It uses highly pressured mercury accelerated by nuclear energy to produce a plasma that creates a field of anti-gravity around the ship. Conventional thrusters located at the tips of the craft allow it to perform all manner of rapid high speed maneuvers along all three axes. Interestingly, the plasma generated also reduces radar signature significantly. So it'll be almost invisible on radar & remain undetected. This literally means that it can go to any country it likes without being detected by air traffic control & air defence systems’

    your plasma gets a mention Biak : )
     
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    Biak Boy from Illinois Staff Member

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    As you mention here Deep Fakes are becoming increasingly more sophisticated and easier to produce.
    I've always held a healthy skepticism towards what I see on the inter-webs. Particularly the more questionable items.
    Are there any explanations on how the Plasma creates an anti-gravity cocoon? Or how placing Mercury under high pressure creates Plasma? How does the Plasma reduce radar significantly? How does conventional thrust create the amount of pressure needed to move the Mass at rapid speeds. Mass doesn't change and even though it appears weightless it still has weight.
    There are a lot of things going on in the articles statement which without explanation shouldn't be taken at face value.
     
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    My personal Rule of So states that when a statement begins with "SO..." it should be examined for a strawman argument. As in this case.
     
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    and that’s about as weak a counter arguement I’ve read for a while...
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    It wasn't a counter argument, it was dismissive. Do better.
     
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    I would say that is cheap CGI...But, that is just me.

    Wonder why the camera could never focus when it zoomed in?

    Grainy video...Go figure.
     
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    CAC Ace of Spades

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    [​IMG][​IMG] Even a model!

    You guys are sounding like flat earthers at the moment...open your minds...dare to believe, just for a minute.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I'll dare to be rational.
     
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    CAC Ace of Spades

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    You are sitting at your keyboard with your eyes closed tight and your fingers in your ears, murmering Lalalalala….YOU DO BETTER.
     

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