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Old October 20th, 2003, 05:07 AM
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Yep, sorta missed the point. But a great question otherwise...

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Old October 20th, 2003, 09:16 AM
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Thx... well, Martin's turn again!
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Old October 20th, 2003, 06:04 PM
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Still in the Bulge...

Patton's drive on Bastogne, although a great performance, wasn't quite the unstoppable 'blitzkrieg' some writers would have us believe.

His choice of route has been criticised. Which alternative route may have been easier for the 4th Armored Division, and may have allowed Patton to make good his 'in Bastogne for Christmas' boast ?
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Bah! Porsche was not a nazi! And Dr Ferdinand Porsche himself is not famous! His cars are! But many people do not know that there was a guy named Ferdinand Porsche who actually designed many good tanks and founded two of the most famous car manufacture companies there are!
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As I said, his FAMILY NAME is famous, and while Porsche was not an NSDAP member, he was still very trusty follower of the regime. He was personal friend of Hitler and Himmler. He received many nazi awards, including a title of SS Oberführer. He used his Himmler connection to get ten thousand of forced labor, who were treated badly. Hundreds died working for Porsche.
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Well, family name... Good point... It's like the Zeppelin thing... Everybody know what a Zeppelin is, but no one knows that there was Count von Zeppelin who invented it.
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Old October 21st, 2003, 08:15 PM
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I'm not confused, but I simply have not been able to find out the answer yet, and it seems nobody else has...

Maybe a little hint?
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Old October 22nd, 2003, 01:45 PM
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Still in the Bulge...

Patton's drive on Bastogne, although a great performance, wasn't quite the unstoppable 'blitzkrieg' some writers would have us believe.

His choice of route has been criticised. Which alternative route may have been easier for the 4th Armored Division, and may have allowed Patton to make good his 'in Bastogne for Christmas' boast ?
I'm a little confused. You're probably talking about the debate whether the road Neufchâteau-Bastogne or Arlon-Bastogne was to be used, but in fact, both were used. The Arlon route turned out to be more hard-fought and hindered than expected. I have not found a proof that the route was Patton's order.

He was later criticized for his orders a) to proceed at night, and b) to bypass German centers of resostance, which both failed.

Are these the topics to keep track?

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Old October 23rd, 2003, 12:39 PM
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Martin - hello??
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Old October 23rd, 2003, 05:10 PM
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Hello KnightMove, back from work and I think you deserve this one !

Patton's main attack was straight down the Arlon-Bastogne highway ( where the 3rd Army commemorative kilometre markers can be seen today ). Unfortunately, this is where most German resistance was met and especially, the road dips through a very deep gorge at Martelange where 4th Armored 'bogged' when the bridge was blown there.

The decision was apparently made by Patton in conference with General Troy Middleton on December 20th. Middleton recommended attacking along Arlon-Bastogne ( 12 miles ) with 4th Armored attacking Neufchateau-Bastogne ( 9 miles ). Patton decided against this idea, preferring instead to keep his forces concentrated, and the main thrust went along the Arlon road, with only infantry attacks further East.

This information is from MacDonald again, citing John S D Eisenhower, Frank Price and interview with 4th Armored's Exec. Officer.

Anyhow - your move !
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Against the British night bombing, the Germans mainly used two-engine night fighters, directed with the help of German ground radar. But this was impossible for the normal single-engine fighters. Their pilots had to SEE the bombers with their own eyes.

For this reason, someone invented a risky tactic to hit the bombers directly above their targets - lightened by ground spotlights and surrounded by flak explosions.

How was this tactic called, and who invented it?
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Old October 23rd, 2003, 06:24 PM
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should I answer this ?

ok times up. Hajo Hermann with the help of Karl Friedrich Müller and ex-bomber pilots, due to the terrible fire-bomb raids of Hambug in July of 1943.

Wilde Sau or wild boar tactic confused with the later fall tactic Helle-nacht.

Wild Boar Gefechstsverband was the combination of first JG 301 followed by JG's 301, and 302. And although fitted with FuG 217 neptun radars on some Fw 190A-5's and 6's the useage of following searchlight patterns was widespread........but now I am getting parts of our book revealed...... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

and the bloddy tactic was NOT used by Kommando Welter- aka 10./NJG 11 with Me 262's
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Old October 23rd, 2003, 06:59 PM
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Was too easy, wasn't it? [img]smile.gif[/img] Your turn, Erich.
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Old November 1st, 2003, 06:37 PM
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Erich, I am obliged to inform you - under Fuhrer sonderbefehl #56 , unterabschnitt 17(a) , punkt 3 ... it's your question !
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Martin, do you understand now why I suggested these rules?
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Old November 5th, 2003, 06:27 AM
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Quite so - Erich should now be taken out and shot.
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OK then

Guess the number I've got in my mind under 10. The one with the wright answer may start the quiz.

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Then lets go over to QuizVI and let Otto start it up???

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Old November 8th, 2003, 06:37 PM
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Just found this again........my PC is only limiting me to certain threads so go figure.

ok this should be an easy one. what Luftwaffe pilot scored the highest number of day Heavy bomber kills ? include name, his rank and number of bomber victories as well as his unit. there has been quite a bit of specualtion the last 5 years if his total number was valid or not.

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Just found this again........my PC is only limiting me to certain threads so go figure.

ok this should be an easy one. what Luftwaffe pilot scored the highest number of day Heavy bomber kills ? include name, his rank and number of bomber victories as well as his unit. there has been quite a bit of specualtion the last 5 years if his total number was valid or not.

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There are too many unconfirmed, likely/possible scores to come to a definite conclusion, but quite likely the winner is:

Major Georg-Peter Eder
36-39 four-engine bombers
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Old November 9th, 2003, 04:15 AM
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no but good guess ! the flieger had flown the Bf 109 exclusively....

keep hunting ! The man is easier to find than what you think.

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I really don't think that this can be determined definitely, as I said, there are many possible/unconfirmed kills. These are the other candidates, but none of them flew only the Me 109?!

Maj. Anton Hackl, 34 4-mots, 192 total
Oblt. Konrad "Pitt" Bauer, 32 4-mots, 57 total
Obst. Walter Dahl, 30-36 4-mots, 128 total

Bauer is not so famous, so you probably don't mean him. Is he one of the three?
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Old November 9th, 2003, 04:09 PM
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nope, c'mon U guys don't give up on me. The guy flew in JG 53 Pik As and was a [img]graemlins/rk.gif[/img]
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