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November 9th, 2003, 09:02 PM
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that is what I thought I asked ! hmmmmmmmm
The gentleman for over 50 years has haeld this score until about 5 years ago when more research was made into JG 53 and their scores listings. On any detailed listing of Luftwaffe aces (the net)he is ranked as the highest scorer amongst B-17's and B-24's........
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November 9th, 2003, 10:33 PM
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Then let's compare our lists... the one I found is:
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/viermot.html
Topscorer of JG 53 is Maj. Friedrich-Karl Müller, but he's not even in the Top 10.
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November 9th, 2003, 10:52 PM
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http://www.germanfighteraces.com/uk/alphabetical1.htm
This is a list of German aces in general, rather consistent with the one above. Eder and Dahl have 36 scores in there, nobody more.
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November 9th, 2003, 11:14 PM
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Km go back to Petr Kacha's homepage and the front U will find none othere than........me that helped put his bomber killer bios together.
Scroll down to Jg 53 ace Herbert Rollwege. Read his bio or what there is of it. Petr' received his information of corse third hand through the JG 53 histories and their is some doubt as I pointed out what his final score really was. Only 14 are shown as claimed in the books......
take it away if you would like
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November 10th, 2003, 01:50 AM
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So you're Erich Brown? (I think we need a 'wow' smily.) Are you related to Melvin?
However, it seems now that you believe in this number, whereas Petr doesn't. Why? And which sources DO believe in Rollwage's 44 victories?
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November 10th, 2003, 02:15 AM
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nope Melvin is not related but a good research friend. We have passed on many an e-mail and copied document to each other.
I did not say I did not beleive what he had but think it may be warped. Herbert could of scored 44 kills or maybe 25, but I can tell you that Dahl's claim is BS. Not sure of Eder though. My help was along the lines of the STurmgruppen bios which I had made up for our sturmgruppen site/as well as personal interviews with the pilots. Also some data materials in my nachtjagd data base.
Peter still has some goofy stuff listed but hopefully he will straighten it out in due time. And Yes I am the Erich Brown
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November 10th, 2003, 05:20 AM
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As far as I can see, there is the possibility, but no likelihood, that Rollwage is the topscorer, which is why I don't understand you insist him to be the right answer. 
Well then, next question...
In the final battle of the Graf Spee, her and her main adversary saw each other at quite differing points of time.
What was this ship's name, what was the time interval of the different sightings, and how did it occur?
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November 11th, 2003, 03:24 PM
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Graf Spee?
The Exeter, Ajax and Achilles were split in two forces in order to divide Graf Speeīs fire power.
The Exeter ( the 8-in cruiser ) attacked from the South and Ajax and Achilles ( both 6-in light cruisers ) from the north.
At 0614 the Graf Spee is seen by the three ships, by 0650 Exeter leaves badly damaged, but I donīt know if Ajax and Achilles meanwhile lost contact with Graf.At 0725 the Ajax is hit.By 0800 Graf Spee is leaving the area.
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November 12th, 2003, 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by Kai-Petri:
At 0614 the Graf Spee is seen by the three ships, by 0650 Exeter leaves badly damaged, but I donīt know if Ajax and Achilles meanwhile lost contact with Graf.At 0725 the Ajax is hit.By 0800 Graf Spee is leaving the area.
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Correct, but no answer to my question. Graf Spee sighted the Exeter already at 0530... why the discrepance of 44 min?
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November 12th, 2003, 08:39 AM
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Maybe you mean the thing that Graf Spee noticed the mast first? In Cajus Beckerīs book they noticed the masts first and thought it might be a boat full of cargo but noticed later on that there were more ships and as they turned out to be something they might sink ( Exter, Ajax, Achilles )they decided to go for it.
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November 12th, 2003, 09:17 AM
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Again correct, but the question is: Why did the Graf Spee see the mast of the Exeter 44 min in advance of vice versa?
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November 12th, 2003, 11:23 AM
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Actually it was the smoke that Langsdorff started to investigate in hope of more cargo ships to sink.
The answer: The smoke from the British ships...
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November 12th, 2003, 12:32 PM
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Sorry, no.
If nobody knows, I will post the answer tomorrow.
[ 12. November 2003, 07:36 AM: Message edited by: KnightMove ]
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November 12th, 2003, 11:13 PM
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Just a guess...it was easier for the Graf Spee to detect the British ships against the rising sun ???
regards, Juha
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November 13th, 2003, 06:35 AM
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Well, the answer is:
The lookout of the Exeter was asleep! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
I turn it over to Kai, for the research.
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November 14th, 2003, 08:37 PM
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OK, thanx KnightMove!
Symbol of which unit...?
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Sonderverband 288
Sonderverband 288 were one of the lesser known units of the Afrika Korps and were intended to operate in the same way as the British Long Range Desert Group (LRDG).
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November 14th, 2003, 09:23 PM
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Yes, over to you Carl!
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Quote:
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Again correct, but the question is: Why did the Graf Spee see the mast of the Exeter 44 min in advance of vice versa?
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Although you have moved on, it is because the Germans ran their ship's clocks on Berlin time and the British on Greenwich mean time. Berlin is an hour ahead. The difference from there is a matter of whose watch / clock / chronometer was used and how much each was off from actual time.
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Quote:
Originally posted by T. A. Gardner:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KnightMove:
Again correct, but the question is: Why did the Graf Spee see the mast of the Exeter 44 min in advance of vice versa?
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Although you have moved on, it is because the Germans ran their ship's clocks on Berlin time and the British on Greenwich mean time. Berlin is an hour ahead. The difference from there is a matter of whose watch / clock / chronometer was used and how much each was off from actual time. </font>[/quote]Definitely not. All dates given mean local time. The engagement took place in the morning, not in the middle of the night.
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Well, assuming its still my question, Here we go:
What was the nichname of the number two forward turret of the Scharnhorst?
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Quote:
Originally posted by Carl G. E. von Mannerheim:
Well, assuming its still my question, Here we go:
What was the nichname of the number two forward turret of the Scharnhorst?
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Huh????
Her turrets were named exactly the same way as on all other German warships - alphabetically Anton, Bruno, Cäsar, Dora.
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Bruno ? how about Berta
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Bruno It is, over to u knightmove
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