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I think the main reason for complaining was that Einsatztruppen, in some sectors, were using so many trucks and other vehicles that Wehrmacht troops were forced to go by foot and could not progress at desired speed. I am sure this is true, I read that somewhere and I will try to find the reference but I am not sure if that is an answer to your question... 
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Sorry Srdo,
that´s not what I´m looking for.
It has more to do with orders...
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HINT: SS men were during the Polish invasion court-martialed by Heer´s demands...Hmmm?
Brutality yes but the main issue behind? Co-operation was agreed upon before the war started.
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*sweat*
A tough one, Kai, congratulation!
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I can give an example of those attrocities - don't know if its the answer -; involving SS Leibstandarte at the town of Radom, where the music chief of the division ordered the shooting of Jewish civilians, including women and children. General Von Reichenau presented personal complaints to the Führer.
Also, generals Blaskowitz and Stülpnagel complained about SS attrocities in their own areas of authority. And as they couldn't stop them, they wanted some court martials for the unsubordinate and butcher SS men.
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Hmmm still the important motive why they actually put these guys into court missing...something that really pissed the Heer generals....
Last hint: leadership and obediance ( hope I wrote the latter correctly...)
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This one is really tough, no doubt about that  Well, after yougave the last hint, I will give it another try. Taking in concern all of the above, maybe the motiv lies in reason that Heer generals were outraged by the fact that SS-Einsatztruppen couldn't care less about regular Wehrmacht chain of command. In fact, these special troops answered only to Heidrich and Himmler and I think that more than few high German officers considered them criminals with license to kill anyone. And this is something that Wehrmacht officers couldn't approve.
Hope I got closer now
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Srdo,
I have decided to accept your answer.
The final fact is that the SS was under the Wehrmacht command in Poland 1939 (!) and thus they should have asked for Heer generals´ and officers´acceptance on these massacres. By making own decisions they angered the Wehrmacht officers and this ended up in putting the SS men in court-martial. Hitler released these men almost immediately and showed the way of the future in handling the jews and other "untermensch".
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Ha...that's the first one for me  I would like to ask a question, if it is allright with you, of course It may sound easy but I will ask it anyway [img]smile.gif[/img]
How did Allies called dummy paratroopers that were dropped on D-day?
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Rupperts. [img]smile.gif[/img]
(I swear I didn't take it from "The longest day"...)  [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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Hahaha, and it doesn't matter if you did
I have always admired Allies' naming conventions...
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You mean its my turn? [img]smile.gif[/img]
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[nitpick]
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[ 09. December 2003, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: KnightMove ]
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Quote:
Originally posted by General der Infanterie Friedrich H:
You mean its my turn? [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Not exactly about WWII, but here it is.
In 1938 two young persons were engaged, one was a young German II lieutenant in the cavalry and the other was a young pretty aristocratic girl.
Both were son and daughter of two German field marshals, very important ones. What is the name of the fathers and groom and bride?
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Quote:
Originally posted by General der Infanterie Friedrich H:
Not exactly about WWII, but here it is.
In 1938 two young persons were engaged, one was a young German II lieutenant in the cavalry and the other was a young pretty aristocratic girl.
Both were son and daughter of two German field marshals, very important ones. What is the name of the fathers and groom and bride?
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Hey Fried, then this would be a question for my Loosely associated quiz.
No interest to solve the question in there - who was born as A. Schicklgruber? [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Fathers: (La)Keitel, von Blomberg
The youngsters: Karl Heinz Keitel, Dorle Blomberg
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Knight,
most famous Austrian corporal was born under that name
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Amazing, Kai...
Although the personal relationship between Keitel and General von Blomberg was somewhat distant, Keitel’s son, Karl Heinz and Blomberg’s daughter, Dorle, became engaged at the beginning of 1938.
http://worldatwar.net/biography/k/keitel/
La relación personal entre Keitel y el General von Blomberg era distante, pero los hijos de ambos generales, Karl Heinz, hijo de Keitel y Dorle hija de Blomberg contrajeron matrimonio.
http://www.exordio.com/1939-1945/personajes/keitel.html
I would NEVER have found this! I am pretty surprised that there is not one single German websource for this!
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Knight,
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a) Wrong place to answer, Srdo (see above). [img]smile.gif[/img]
b) Will tell you later...
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Kai is right! Your turn!
Knight, two things:
The answer is Alois Schicklgrüber (1837-1903), renamed Hitler in 1876.
The punctuation and grammar of that source in Spanish ist AWFUL, TERRIBLE, ESPANTOSA and RECHLICHES!
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Quote:
Originally posted by General der Infanterie Friedrich H:
The answer is Alois Schicklgrüber (1837-1903), renamed Hitler in 1876.
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Correct. You could have added that he was Adolf Hitler's father.
It's your turn in the Loosely associated quiz. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Ok. We´ll continue for another question in the same category:
Name the woman with whom Göbbels had an affair and that almost made him leave his post as propaganda minister ( according to the story ).
Only Hitler made him change his mind and Magda´s as well ( to forgive Mr Göbbels ).
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