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October 15th, 2003, 02:39 AM
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Although I'm not familiar with that particular raid it sounds like 8th Group and their Mosquitos at work. Vice Air Marshall Bennett was the Group CO.
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October 15th, 2003, 06:13 AM
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8 Group were Pathfinders and didn't carry out precision low-level attacks of this nature.
I'm struggling with this one  - I don't think it was a Mosquito 'op' at all.... 
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October 15th, 2003, 06:34 AM
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(see me smile  )
No mossies. I'll give you a few hints: I am looking for a unit smaller than Group, bigger than Sqn.
The commander was a BoB veteran during which he became an ace and had to bail out at least once. In that time he served in a Sqn which was home to many well known aces.
His succeses gave him a prolific nickname.
He survived the war and signed many aviation works of art.
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October 15th, 2003, 05:31 PM
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October 15th, 2003, 07:52 PM
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No bidders?
I have three answers on commission here...
Do I hear two answers in the room? Two answers, ladies and Gentlemen?
That sir in the corner? One answer?
Come on, bargainhunters!
No takers for these three beautiful authentic questions? Complete with hints?
Final offer,
Going Once...
Going Twice...
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October 15th, 2003, 08:59 PM
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Doh ! My brain has seized up !
The unit must have been a Wing...and after that I'm stuck ... This is Stevin's revenge for Bruce Clarke 
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October 15th, 2003, 09:17 PM
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A wing! I've got a wing!
Do I hear which wing??? Anybody?
Thank you for that bid Martin!
I leave this till tomorrow morning for our American friends to try; The conclusion of Bruce Clarke's Revenge! (You ain't seen nothing yet!) 
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October 15th, 2003, 10:10 PM
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NJG 11 the top killing anti-Mosquito unit !
yeah I know it isn't RAF.........rats !
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October 15th, 2003, 10:41 PM
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Let's try Roland Beamont and 123 Wing (No.s 198 and 609 squadrons) flying Typhoons.
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October 16th, 2003, 07:09 AM
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Getting closer and closer, T.A.!
Typhoons is correct. Wing no. and commander are not the ones who bombed the SD offices in Amsterdam. The wing had 192 Sqn 'under its wings'.
I am at work now, so I can't give you more dates when this wing flew similar missions. I do know they also bombed buildings in Rotterdam and Dordrecht in this period. They operated primarily in Holland at this time.
Care to bid again, or shall we go on and withdraw this one as unsellable??? 
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October 16th, 2003, 09:57 AM
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Denys Gillam and 146 Wing ? 
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October 16th, 2003, 10:15 AM
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We've got a winner!
You're right, Martin, Denys 'Kill 'em' Gillam commanded 146 Wing on the raid on the Amsterdam SD offices on 26 november 1944. As stated, two groups of planes flew diversive sorties to Amsterdam Harbour and Schiphol airfield in order to draw the Flak away from the main force. The third group, led by Gillam, went straight for the SD office. Besides the building itself, several nearby houses were hit as well, resulting in the death of 56 civilians. The SD lost 4 men.
The Dutch underground requested this raid, in the hope the SD would be hit when they were on their lunch-break and kill as many of them as possible. The Dutch Government rep. in London that was to OK the raid did so when Gillam said it would be 'a piece of cake'. The rep. Ok'ed the mission but insisted that it would be conducted on a sunday.
The SD building became unusable and another building on the nearby Apollolaan was taken over by the SD.
I have been collecting data on this for a while, together with some other raids on Amsterdam.
I hope in the not too distant future to post some short stories on these raids here...
Over to you, Martin...Hit me! 
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October 16th, 2003, 11:26 AM
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Well, this was such hard work that I have made arrangements for the RAF Memorial Flight to borrow the RAF Museum's only surviving Typhoon for a special 59th Anniversary re-enactment. . Live rockets and ammunition have been located in an old hangar and an address to be attacked has been selected.
'Won't the owner mind ?  ' said the RAF Museum.
'No,no' I reassured them,'The owner's name is Oudshoorn and he's a real WW2 buff - he'll love it !'
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Next question comes when my headache over this one goes away.... 
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October 16th, 2003, 12:19 PM
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Wow!
Typhoon day revisited...!!

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October 17th, 2003, 10:01 AM
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Most Excellent!
Looks like I have got a date on 26 november!!!
I will have large identification panels out, pointing in the right direction. As I am not sure which address you mean, I have taken the freedom to inform the school that is now housed in that particular building. The students are wildly enthousiastic about this RAF Memorial Flight fly-by!!
I also informed my neighbours, yet they reacted with some reservation. Silly buggers. I told them this will be an experience of a lifetime! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
oh, and to give the whole thing more authenticity I will, for the first time ever, get into re-enactment myself and wear my long leather overcoat, complete with hat!!!
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October 17th, 2003, 01:04 PM
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Stevin
You'd better wear a helmet and start digging an Anderson shelter(very soon and very deep)
Popsss.
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I know it's Martin Bull's turn, but is it allowed to ask an easy question, outside the contest, in between?
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October 18th, 2003, 10:18 AM
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Popski,
For the benefit of my neighbours I have started digging an Anderson in the garden of the Orthodox Christian Bookstore below me...There are smoking us out with their incense anyway...I, for one, will be standing on the roof, waving frantically at the Typhoon...
It better show up, Martin!
Martin...?
MAAAAAARTIN!!!!!!!
What is this...???
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Oh, KnightMove, I guess that's up to Martin, whether he wants to hands this round to you...
And Erich, I forgot to credit you with a VERY good try!! 
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Back to the Bulge for a quick question - on December 23rd 1944 and subsequently, what tactic did the US 9th Air Force use against the Panzer forces surrounding Bastogne ?
Clue : This could also easily appear in the 'Weapons' quiz....
PS We'll all try to answer your Q, Knightmove....ask away !
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Thx Martin. OK:
Who was, regarding today's publicity of his family name, the most famous nazi?
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I feel like someone answering a 'Knock, knock - who's there ?' joke...
Surely the most famous Nazi must be Hitler ?? 
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October 18th, 2003, 03:55 PM
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So far the most "intelligent" answer to Martin´s question I found is:
The Allied Airforces cut off the fuel supply for the German Panzers...
And to KnightMove´s question a guess:
Rudolf Hess? ( Not sure whose name could be more famous that Hitler´s though..)
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