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Sorry for the delay...just found out (trial and error method) how to post pics here.
Name the mine
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Great response guys, looks like I was wrong about the "listening" bit eh? Here is the full picture, which kinda reveals that it is a German piece of kit.
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It is a standard French anti-tank mine. Many were captured in 1940 and used by the Germans.
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The German designation was "Leichte Panzerabwehrmine 407(f)"
Your turn T.A.
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I have some really neat questions but I can't seem to get the *&%$^ photo's to upload! So, here's a non-photo one:
Many ships in the Atlantic used a similar camoflauge scheme. In the US Navy this was called Measure 16 or "the Thayer system." What was this camoflauge scheme called in the Royal Navy?
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Was this by any chance 'dazzle camouflage' which was proposed in WW1 by artist Norman Wilkinson, based on Cubist ideas of art ?
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No, but it was proposed first by Abbott Thayer, an American naturalist and artist in the WW I era. It was resurrected in WW II by Peter Scott a British naturalist and artist who proposed the idea to the Admirality who accepted it. A great number of ASW ships on Atlantic convoy duty ended up painted in this scheme.
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Ah yes...camo...an art unto itself... 
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Well I was going to say disruptive but I have no idea if Thayer suggested that or not and besides it sounds too much like "dazzle" in this context.... 
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Well, another overwhelming response. The correct answer is the Western Approaches scheme.
A ship in this scheme was painted completely white on all vertical surfaces. A splinter pattern of very light blue and green (British version only) was applied over the white.
In overcast or hazy weather (which was the rule in the Atlantic) a ship in this scheme virtually disappeared into the background. The blue and green panels were to help hide it in clear weather when it would otherwise stand out like a sore thumb.
A variant was done by Lord Mountbatten's DD squadron which substituted "Mountbatten Pink" (a very light red) for the blue. This made the splinter pattern darker at night than the blue panels did.
Well, enough on that. I'll have to come up with another question....maybe something on tanks this time....
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Measure 16, the American equivalent of the British Western Approaches System, has been named the Thayer System.
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/6_42_discussion.htm
Indeed, there it is. If I had tried a little harder, I would have found the answer, sorry. But it was not easy. This is the only web source mentioning the relation.
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NEXT!!!
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I will have a new question first thing in the AM (+8 GMT). Military duty called this weekend so I was a bit occupied elsewhere.
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Ok, a nice easy German equipment one: Name the unique vehicle used by the 8th Schwere PanzerJäger Abt in 1940 - 41 in France and Russia.
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Hmmm, I think it's Panzerjäger I, based on Panzer I, equipped with 47 mm Pak L43.
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Think much bigger. There are many photos of their unique vehicle taken both in the French campaign and in the opening days of the War in the East.
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To be honest: I do not even have a clue what the "8th Schwere PanzerJäger Abt" is. And looking for suitable answers in tank descriptions... nuts.
Stug III - was too late, only a few experimental in France.
Marder II and III - too late.
Panzerspähwagen? Not suitable.
Some ordinary tank? The TNHP was not suitable for special anti-tank units. Panzer III or IV? - then you would not ask this question.
The only try I still would suggest... the Marder I? Several captured French chassis with 7,5 PAK?
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Boy, I'm batting a thousand with these questions....The vehicle was the 8.8cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zkw 12t. This was an Sdkfz 8 12 ton halftrack that mounted an 8.8cm Flak 18 on it. The cab and engine were armored. 8 S.Pzjr Abt had between 10 and 12 assigned (sorces disagree on the exact count). These vehicles served from Poland through the early part of the Russian campaign where they finally were all lost through various causes. I pass the next question to Knightmove as at least he did try.
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Well, take it as a compliment that you're a weapon buff, as far ahead of us as the 8-8 was compared to other flak. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Well then, an easier question: What was the first submarine type to have a greater underwater than surface speed?
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It was German Type XXIII. Surface speed was around 10 kts and submerged speed was about 12,5 kts.
First one (U-2321) was commisioned on June 12th 1944 and went on one war patrol late in the war and sunk one ship. One and only commander was Oblt. Hans-Heinrich Barschkis.
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A good answer, but not the right one, sorry.
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Grrrrr...I was quite sure about this one
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Quote:
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Well, take it as a compliment that you're a weapon buff, as far ahead of us as the 8-8 was compared to other flak. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Well then, an easier question: What was the first submarine type to have a greater underwater than surface speed?
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More subtle than you think....It was the Walter V80. The V80 ran trials in the Schlei Estuary in April 1940 achieving an underwater speed of 14 knots on her HTP closed cycle Walther engine. Walther's various experimental HTP engined boats were the basis for the eventual design of the hull of the Type XXI, Type XVII, Type XVIII etc.
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