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June 9th, 2009, 07:40 PM
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Re: Name that plane
Ya, i wanted to say something like a captured P-51, but i'm not 100% positive that thats what it is.
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June 9th, 2009, 07:49 PM
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It's not a P 51.
BTW I think I did the mistake of mirroring it while scanning, the antenna is on the left wing.
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June 10th, 2009, 04:39 AM
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Bears a lot, but not all the similarities of the XP-46 and the Warhawk.... Can't pin it down as yet.
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June 10th, 2009, 11:10 AM
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Re: Name that plane
Upright engine rules out Me-309.
It looks for all the world like a '51 hybrid with a griffon. Aerofoils have me stumped, they look European. Fuselage and the photo itself looks American.
Is it Republic Aircraft Corp? An inline Thunderbolt?
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June 10th, 2009, 06:09 PM
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Smaller than a Jug and the engine is a Merlin not a Griffon, it does have a P-51 look but it's nothing of the sort.
Thougt this one would be easiy despite the P51 resemblance (it did have the same engine but rounded wingtips?)
HINTS: Officially not a fighter but an advanced trainer (sic), was built as both single and two seater.
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Okay ... I'll have another stab at this one.
Is it a Fiat-G59 ? The single seat version being the G59-4A and the two seat version the G59-4B ??
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June 15th, 2009, 06:52 AM
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Yes it's the single seat G59 A, basically a G 55 with a Merlin, the DB engine supply ran out a bit like what happened in spain with the Hispano HA-1112). The picture came out of a set of AMI postcards.
BTW this is the pic the right way round (complete with bread crumb from my scanner near the left leg  )
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BTW this is the pic the right way round (complete with bread crumb from my scanner near the left leg  )
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Got the I.D. from the two seat 4B version ... the single seat seems a lot harder to track down a picture of.
By 'bread crumb' I take it you don't mean a tantalizing clue then ?
I'm gonna go back to good old black and white for my effort ...
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June 16th, 2009, 08:53 PM
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I'm gonna go back to good old black and white for my effort ...
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The picture has a bit of a soviet Lavochkin look, assuming they experimented with moving the radiator under the nose, but that tail weel (or is it a skid?) is something I've never seen ...
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The picture has a bit of a soviet Lavochkin look, assuming they experimented with moving the radiator under the nose, but that tail weel (or is it a skid?) is something I've never seen ...
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Soviet ... yes. Lavochkin ... no.
From the 'line' drawings of this plane it would appear to be a tail wheel, and not a skid ... maybe it's chocked or just a shadow?
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June 19th, 2009, 07:12 AM
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I feel a clue or two may be in order ... The designer of this plane was jailed in 1938 after one of his earlier designs (not this one) suffered engine failure and crashed killing the test pilot.
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June 19th, 2009, 08:59 AM
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I feel a clue or two may be in order ... The designer of this plane was jailed in 1938 after one of his earlier designs (not this one) suffered engine failure and crashed killing the test pilot.
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Not much of a help, looks like half the soviet aircraft designers worked from jail  .
Bartini (Beriev bureau), Polikarpov, Grigorivich and Tupolev come to mind ....
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No, I've ruled out Tupolev and Bartini. If it's not Polikarpov or Grigorivich, I'm dead in the water for anyone else it could be.
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June 20th, 2009, 07:22 AM
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No, I've ruled out Tupolev and Bartini. If it's not Polikarpov or Grigorivich, I'm dead in the water for anyone else it could be.
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MastahCheef ... You have ruled out the correct two ... The designer of the plane was a 'deputy' to one of the remaining two at the time of his imprisonment. He established his 'own' project bureau in 1941, when he developed the single seat fighter you're looking for.
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June 20th, 2009, 10:42 AM
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MastahCheef ... You have ruled out the correct two ... The designer of the plane was a 'deputy' to one of the remaining two at the time of his imprisonment. He established his 'own' project bureau in 1941, when he developed the single seat fighter you're looking for.
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Tupolev was already "signing" his planes in the early forties. Bartini AFAIK did work with Grigorivich but still cant find any trace of our mistery plane.
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June 20th, 2009, 10:51 PM
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June 21st, 2009, 12:42 AM
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Sorry to burst your bubble MastahCheef ... but it isn't a Yak.
If you find the man ... then you find the plane. It was originally referred to as Samolet (aircraft), but was later named after it's designer.
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June 21st, 2009, 01:24 AM
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HOW IS IT NOT A YAK-7? ASODMAOSDNUAWEBR
K then... made in 41, askdoawnd... IDK. Another clue plz
EDIT: Besides as a dogfighter, were their any other combat designations? Was it a two-seater?
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June 21st, 2009, 01:35 AM
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Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-3?
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June 21st, 2009, 05:06 PM
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I don't think it's a variation of one of the second generation water cooled engined soviet monoplanes fighters that got into production LaGG-3, MiG 1/MiG 3 and Yak 1 as all of those had ventral not nose radiators. More likely a competing design from some other team. Tupolev is best known for large planes so it could be a Bartini design, the dates for his bureau match what you said but the only Bartini fighters are can find are the much earlier earlier Stal-6 and Stal-8 designs.
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I don't think it's a variation of one of the second generation water cooled engined soviet monoplanes fighters that got into production LaGG-3, MiG 1/MiG 3 and Yak 1 as all of those had ventral not nose radiators. More likely a competing design from some other team. Tupolev is best known for large planes so it could be a Bartini design, the dates for his bureau match what you said but the only Bartini fighters are can find are the much earlier earlier Stal-6 and Stal-8 designs.
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Snake said I was correct when I ruled out Bartini. It can't be Illyushin, can it?
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It is a Tomashevich 110
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June 22nd, 2009, 07:51 AM
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Nice detective work Jagdtiger, I read Snake's comment the wrong way round so didn't look at Polikarpov  , as the man had a preference for radial engines he would probably not have been my guess anyway. This is fun, I'm certainly learning a lot about aviation history I hadn't suspected before. Keep them comming !!!
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Yes indeed JagdtigerI ... very nice detective work.
That one really tested the knowledge ... over to you ...
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Ok guys how about this one:
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