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Guess ?! And I thought you were working from original sources....  Wrong, anyway ! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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As I recall the number of raids during the Battle of Berlin was 16. So if 16 is "pretty darn close" I'm going to guess...15!
(Sheesh, guessing at the quiz, how pathetic...)
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May 9th, 2003, 01:22 PM
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Wrong !! Unbelievable..with you guys around, the safest place to stand is in front of the target...  [img]tongue.gif[/img] 
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May 9th, 2003, 01:34 PM
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Well, it was an educated guess! Sorta...
C'Mon, I know about as much about the air war as... well... not much!
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This must be the all-time record wrong-guess question on the Forums - ever ! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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May 9th, 2003, 11:04 PM
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Well, I don't dare guess anymore....
Just want to say Hats off to anyone flying more than one mission to Berlin. I tried to look up the answer in Bombers Over Berlin by Alan Cooper but couldn't find it. Can't put the book down however...
One of my first and most exhaustive research projects was about a 78 RCAF Sqn Halifax that was shot down on 22/23 May 1944 by (I believe) Lt. Scherfling. This crew had been to Berlin about (I believe) six or seven times when they were shot down on their (I believe) 17th mission. Numbers could be wrong. Have to look that up... It has been a long time since I did that research...
21? No, I can't believe they'd sent a crew that many times to Berlin.
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This must be the all-time record wrong-guess question on the Forums - ever !
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No, maybe it's Martin's impossible questions...
You have to have lived these experiences to know them! [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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Ah yes - those long nights over Berlin, trying to identify the Friedrichhaus on my H2S screen.....  [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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Just noticed that Stevin had a couple of pot-shots - wrong, and wrong !
Just to recap, we so far have 23, 16, 19, 15, 12, 21 & 11 
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Arrgghhh, how annoying....
I Have exhausted all "original" sources available to myself. (including my new arrival SO FEW by David Masters, with some notes in the margin of what must be a vet. Near the name of WC Walter Sheen DSO, he writes He was our leader on the attack we carried out on Friedrichshaven (!) 1943. exclamationmark is mine...  )
Martin, We are in need of a hint.
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Hint - the crew were Pathfinders, flying with 7 Squadron from Oakington, Cambs.
There - that's giving it away...! 
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I haven't lived in Berlin ever! I hardly know the city! [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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Tried to look for the answer in the net but only found some confusing results. So I am not gonna answer but instead I´ll give a site with some interesting info on the matter:
JIM MALLEY's service with the RAF during the Second World War extended to a remarkable 127 operations over enemy territory.
One of his first operations was in the Vickers Wellington F for Freddie, which became a national byword after it featured in the wartime film Target for Tonight (1941). His last were in Mosquitoes of 139 squadron in which he flew 53 missions between September 1944 and April 1945, in one case flying on operations on ten successive night. His assignments included more than 30 raids over Berlin, which was the most dreaded target because of the nine-hour flight, the fighter screen and the anti-aircraft fire.
http://www.upwood-base.co.uk/squadronleaderjm.html
Squadron Leader Jim Malley, DSO, DFC and Bar, wartime Pathfinder and civil servant, was born on July 24, 1918. He died on June 5, 2000 aged 81.
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Say What!? New Depths??
What does all this mean, you Mad Math Wizard!?
All I get that the number you are looking for is somewhere between the lowest and highest already guessed. So Kai's 30 is way off.
I guess 18 is the only one "completing [a]consequtive sequence of three" within the range already guessed at...
Do I at least get a point for logic?
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Dohhh! No - it's like '3' completes a sequence '1,2...'
Blimey ! What's this got to do with 7 Squadron over Berlin....
If no-one gets it by this evening I'll give it up. Oh - and 18 is wrong !
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May 12th, 2003, 05:43 AM
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Dohhh! No - it's like '3' completes a sequence '1,2...'
Blimey ! What's this got to do with 7 Squadron over Berlin....
If no-one gets it by this evening I'll give it up. Oh - and 18 is wrong !
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Argh. Well, since we have 15 and 16, it could be 17. Or since there is 11 and 12 it could be 13.
Seems like 17 would be the most likely answer though. Martin, you had better educate us soon, this is getting pretty embarrassing...

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What a relief !! 17 it is !! I guess you knew it all along, Heartland ....  [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Just to bring us back to WWII, the gold watches went to the crew of F/Lt Bob Sexton from Queensland who beat all the odds to fly 17 Berlin 'ops' through the winter of 43/44. For the record, the 'Battle of Berlin' consisted of nineteen raids in total.
And now over to Heartland, the ace mathematician....
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Sorry Martin for the interruption,
but I got interested. Do you know if this Jim Malley made the most Berlin raids in WW2?

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It was getting rather annoying actually!
Of course it was awarded to an Aussie though...we are the best!
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