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Old March 25th, 2003, 10:16 AM
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I remember having read on Brest-Litowsk that the Red Amy soldiers fought for a long time there after the beginning of Brabarossa.

Anybody know more of this. How long did they fight? Or was it just after-war propaganda?

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I found it on this site:
http://www.brestonline.com/History/bh6.shtml

The Brest fortress was the place where the war made its first thundering step which broke the silence of that memorial dawn in June 1941. By the beginning of the war the fortress had lost its defence significance due to the powerful weapons and new military tactics.

Some of the fortifications were destroyed, and the fortress was used by the Soviet army only for billeting the troops. Soviet frontier-guards first were attacked on. The detachment of the lieutenant Kizhevatov armed with guns and grenades repulsed several tank attacks. Having big losses the frontier-guards withdrew to the fortress which became the main center of resistance on the border.

Five hours after the start of the war Germans encircled the fortress and entered the city. The street fights began. Having advantage in arms and manpower nazi quickly suppressed the resistance in the city and continued to move eastward.

The fortress made a prolonged defence against the Germans. The 45th division formed in the Hitler’s native land in Austria was storming the fortress. The division was enforced by three artillery regiments. 500 cannons took the fortress under fire, 600 bombs were thrown on the fortifications.

Old Russian fortifications became impregnable for armed to the teeth Nazi. The participant of the German offence Rudolf Gschopf remembers: “We believed the fortress was turned into the pile of ruins. Right after the artillery fire the infantry crossed the Boog river and tried to take the fortress by quick and energetic offence. We got disillusioned. Russians were caught in beds by our fire.

Nevertheless, they amazingly quickly recovered, formed fighting groups and organised selfless and persistent defence... Our losses in manpower, particularly in officers, became of sorrowful rate. Numerous Russian soldiers hidden and camouflaged in the bushes on the western island did not let our reinforcements pass. On the first day of the war two headquarters of our regiments were encircled and destroyed. The commanders of the regiments were killed.”

The attempt to take the fortress instantly failed, and the its siege began. On the 24th of June, two days after the war started, the united command of the Soviet troops in the fortress was created headed by captain I.N. Zubachev and political officer E.M. Fomin to organise more effective defence.

Cut from the outside world, starving and parched with thirst, they stood firm and died the death of heroes. Nazi had to pay a high price for every fort, every casemate, every stone of the fortress. The fortress was constantly under artillery fire. Neither flame-throwers and tear gas nor tank attacks and air attacks broke the defence.

When nazi took ground fortifications soviet soldiers continued fighting in the underground. The heroic defence lasted almost a month when the Soviet-German front line was far in the East. Even the enemy was shocked at the courage of the fortress defenders. “Officers and men has kept fighting till the last minute. The demand to surrender... had no impact on them” (from a report of the Staff of the Armies’ Group “Center” to its Command). Soldiers fought to the last.


WE ARE DYING
HONOURABLY...
WE SHALL DIE BUT NOT
ABANDON THE FORTRESS.
MOTHERLAND, FAREWELL!

The long-suffering walls of the fortress conveyed these words.


Some historians claim though, that Soviet soldiers did not want to leave the fortress and try to go to the East because they were actually secret police officers who committed a lot of crimes agains local population just before the war.

Thus, they had little chances to survive on their way to the East and had nothing else to do as to stay in the fortress and fight against Germans from whom they could not expect mercy either. Nevertheless, the fact that these soldiers made a prolonged defence lacking water, food and amunition makes them heroes.
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Brest-Litowsk was one of the first indications that the whole rotten structure coming down may not be entirely true. Like Erwin posted, the city was encircled a few hours into the invasion on June 22. The hoeplessly encircled defenders fought on against the odds, enduring heavy Luftwaffe attacks on June 28 attempting to dislodge them with heavy bombs. On June 30 the the citadel fell, with the Wehrmacht taking several thousand prisoners. Fighting continued however, and the Wehrmacht brought in heavy siege guns to hammer the city. Still, the final resistance was not squashed until July 23 when the last few survivors surrendered, almost exactly one month after getting encircled.
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Thanx Erwin, Heartland!

Just what I wanted to know!

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Another tidbit on Brest-Litowsk... the super-heavy Karl-Gereate mortars were used by the Germans against the Russian fortress. A battery of two guns- Artillerie-Abteilung (mot) 833 was used to fire from Terespol. The "Zitadelle of Brest" and the "North Fort" were engaged by the guns. The guns were NR. IV ("Thor", I think equipped with the 54cm barrel) and NR. III (not sure of the name, I know it was equipped with the 60cm barrel from photos). The guns fired a total of 31 rounds between the two. 24 were fired on the Zitadelle. The damage from the shells was readily discernable from the hits of Stukas and other artillery. From an after-action report- "The shells fired by the battery certainly had a strong physical and demoralizing effect. In hindsight, this action appears to have been completely worthwhile."
Although also of note, the guns had a large share of mechanical difficulties during the operation. On the first day, firing was cut short due to... "rounds getting stuck so that the breech wouldn't close while loading the fourth round in one gun and the fifth round in the other." At one other point a "specialist" had to be flown in from Ardelt in Eberswalde to fix one of the cranes needed to assemble the guns.

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Excellent addition. Thanx CrazyD!

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Didn't they use them against Sebastopol in 1941?

Does anyone know if they used the "Fat Berta's" in WW2. Or was this only in WW2?
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Yup... Erwin, check the thread in the Russian Front area on "Sevastopol"... from a while back. I posted some of the info on the Karl-Gereates use at Sevastopol, which I'm planning on finishing tonight.

The "Big Bertha" gun was only used in WW1. BUT- the germans did come up with some even more impressive big guns for WW2.

http://www.ww2forums.com/cgi-bin/ubb...c;f=4;t=000052
Dora thread

http://www.ww2forums.com/cgi-bin/ubb...c;f=4;t=000059
Thread on the Karl-Gereate super-heavy self-propelled mortar series. I've got a really good book on these- lemme know if there are any specifics you want me to post.

http://www.ww2forums.com/cgi-bin/ubb...c;f=7;t=000033
Sevastopol thread.
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