Marshall Zhukov

Major Destruction · #1 (**permalink**) April 22nd, 2004, 01:56 AM

Reading the final chapter of the Great Crusade.

Ike mentions that his correspondance with Zhukov ended abruptly and he never heard from him again.

What was Zhukov's fate?

Kai-Petri · #2 (**permalink**) April 22nd, 2004, 07:56 AM

I do recall that Zhukov was getting too big for his post after the war as he got his name in the western papers and "huge" interviews etc and Stalin sent him somewhere deep in the USSR to take care of miltiary busines and learn again who was the boss!! Later on in the 50´s he was trying to get to the power again with Molotov but Kruschev beat them to it.

Za Rodinu · #3 (**permalink**) November 15th, 2006, 10:38 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sM8QAn-sR...elated&search=

Zhukov in the Moscow victory parade, riding Stalin's white horse with Rokossovsky on another!

Also, the Moscow Victory Parade in colour [img]smile.gif[/img] (well, probably colourized but I'm not sure)

1) http://youtube.com/watch?v=I4xgYsNVD...elated&search=

2) http://youtube.com/watch?v=soAHzsIQc...elated&search=

3) http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nr45ZBlpz...elated&search=

4) http://youtube.com/watch?v=aO9ZpzCKt...elated&search=

Richard · #4 (**permalink**) November 21st, 2006, 02:33 PM

He should have not been riding that white horse on Moscow's Victory Parade.

Nice colour footage of the Moscow's Victory Parade. Well done Za. [img]graemlins/salute.gif[/img]

PzJgr · #5 (**permalink**) November 21st, 2006, 02:49 PM

Something one has to keep in mind when living under the shadow of a dictator. Never, ever show him up. What was it that was whispered to those Roman generals who held their 'triumph' through the streets of Rome, "Thou art mortal".

jean2005 · #6 (**permalink**) October 26th, 2007, 11:02 AM

Well, Zhukov obviously tried to take to large piece of an apple pie. He made big mistake, when he tried to take power and controll over USSR. He left to give in charge some of "old comrades" and (that was the mistake) said, that "there are many other "criminals", between our comrades, we know about them, but this time we let them free". This displayed too soon his purposes and they all well remembered recently deceased Stalin and his "purges".
But he was too famous and so he cannot be just... removed definitely, so he was putted out of any power. I think, that if he suceeded, there might have been another Stalin here, this time with nuclear weapons, though. And how he treated with those weapons, he showed on some military exercises in fifties...
I am glad he did not to reach the power, because I like Fallout only as a computer game, not in real world.

Sloniksp · #7 (**permalink**) October 26th, 2007, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jean2005

Well, Zhukov obviously tried to take to large piece of an apple pie. He made big mistake, when he tried to take power and controll over USSR. He left to give in charge some of "old comrades" and (that was the mistake) said, that "there are many other "criminals", between our comrades, we know about them, but this time we let them free". This displayed too soon his purposes and they all well remembered recently deceased Stalin and his "purges".
But he was too famous and so he cannot be just... removed definitely, so he was putted out of any power. I think, that if he suceeded, there might have been another Stalin here, this time with nuclear weapons, though. And how he treated with those weapons, he showed on some military exercises in fifties...
I am glad he did not to reach the power, because I like Fallout only as a computer game, not in real world.

What.....Zhukov another Stalin?!?!

To say that I disagree would be an understatement!

But I would put Zhukov above Rommel, only by a small margin

Chuikov64th · #8 (**permalink**) October 30th, 2007, 03:09 AM

Zhukov was "retired" to Odessa shortly after the surrender was signed, I believe that is where he last communicated with Eisenhower (or Churchill?) from. He was sent off to a desk job somewhere as Stalin and his people thought he may end up being trouble. I don't know the specifics.

Za Rodinu · #9 (**permalink**) October 30th, 2007, 07:26 AM

That was in 1947 only, when Stalin sent him out to pasture. In 1953 after Stalin's death he was recalled as Deputy Defense Minister, took the lead part in arresting Lavrenti Beria, was Defense Minister in 1955, orchestrated the invasion of Hungary in 1956 (ah, well...).

In 1957 he fell out with Khruschev, who sent him out to pasture I don't know where, but was rehabilitated by Brezhnev (of all things!) in 1964 and finally died in 1974 being buried with full miitary honours.

ODM of the Russian Federation: Order of Zhukov

Chuikov64, you have chosen an honourable name too. Here he is, in good company!

machine shop tom · #10 (**permalink**) January 6th, 2008, 02:11 AM

Here is an interesting article about Zhukov and a rebuttal from someone that sees his history from a little different perspective:

Orange Ukraine - Long Articles - The Man Who Defeated*Hitler?

tom

Chuikov64th · #11 (**permalink**) January 6th, 2008, 05:24 PM

I have heard so many of those "rebuttals" in my years of reading that I find a lot of them of dubious credit. In fairness no more worthy than the articles they are meant to rebut.

Quote:

The group of Military Academy
listeners (the officers' reserve) have arrived from Moscow with him. Zhukov
fired those whom he considered not relevant to their positions and shot
them. On their positions he placed people from reserve and if the last made
the smallest fault, they, like their predecessors, got bullet in the back of
the head".

I don't believe for a second that Zhukov had those officers he considered unnecessary or who made a mistake shot in the back of the head. What in the hell is the point? It's all exaggeration to me and I find it contemptable. It distorts the most valuable resource humanity has. History.

I'm sure Zhukov made his mistakes, all generals do. I'm sure that the Russians exaggerate the crimes of the Germans but I have seen too much evidence in european Russia to write it all off as lies. The same goes for the atrocities of the Red Army in Prussia/Germany.

War is not a nice affair. I hope we can discuss this without a flamewar. If anyone wants too.