When Germany invaded Russia and was gaining terrain, Zhukov made a new strategic Defense tactic which was very succesful.

1) German Army attacks the first Russian Defense Line



2) The German Army attacks the first Russian Defense Line, when the German Army attacks, they 'retreat' and go next defense line



3) Then they retreat to the next Russian Defense Line, so it becomes stronger and bigger.



4) When the Germans Attack again, they will just do the same thing



5) Again, they will retreat to the next Russian Defense Line



6) Till it becomes one big, massive Defense Line which is unbreakable.



Later, I'll make it much better!

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Interesting. This is the first I have heard of this. That would take a lot of manpower. The question I have is this. The point being attacked, do they retreat or let the Germans through?

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Nice art work and nice defence for frontal assaults.

However I think that Blitzkrieg tries to surround you so can you show how Zhukov counters these "arrows" that try to pass your defence lines from both sides?

Thanx!

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Plus, each flank has the schwerpunkt, the point where all arms are focused to make the breakthrough. Once the breakthrough is made, the lighter, faster tanks roam behind the lines causing havoc with the panzers and mobile infantry behind. I can see this working better if the lines behind move forward to reinforce the point being attacked. This would prevent the chaos that a withdrawal would cause and prevent the breakthrough. Nicely done.

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Nice graphics, are you selling toothpaste here?

This must be the only possibility, as this has no relation to reality whatsoever.

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I wanted to share.

It's very interesting.

I don't know but they didn't always used the Blitzkrieg tactic (I mean in Battles).

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Blitzkrieg was a compilation of artillery, dive bombers, assault troops and tanks. The schwerpunkt was standard 'offensive' doctrine, especially during the time period you have pointed out.

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Yes, but this is a straight line, can't be surrounded. Blitzkrieg was succesful in the first days of Operation Barbarossa, until in Russia Zhukov's tactic came.

Zhukov learned from the Blitzkrieg. He used this too to surround Stalingrad.

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Give us an instance or two of actions of this sort, bitte.

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How can I show this? It's a tactic.

I got it from I thought a US Newsreel (where they tell everything about Russia) from just(?) after the war. Don't know the exact name anymore, I'll try to find it.

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I can't think of 1 battle that looked like that with the possible exception "Kursk". And there, the Germans attacked in a pincer movement.

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The arrow in the line means the German push.

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Sorry, Kreuz, but apparently we're not swallowing your bait

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I didn't come up with this nor invented

The DVD I got it from is called "Het Oostfront" it's from a Big DVD Box.

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Then throw it away

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Which tactic did the Russians used then? I'm interested.

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I will say this, it wasn't til after the Battle of Moscow that the Russians no longer fought to the last man. There were no longer any Russian Armies being surrounded. They did learn how to give way and got better at it as time went on. Look at Kursk.

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I can think of 1 battle that resembled the above drawn "tooth paste" method, but the tables were turned.
It was the Germans defending and the Russians attacking. In a little place named Kurland,
what was left of Army group north had their backs to the sea on 3 sides. The only way the
Russians could attack was frontal.
Where ever the "push" was, they simply threw their defences there. Pretty remarkable job
considering they were cut off from the outside world except for the sea.

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For the lack of inspiration, here's a primer on Tactics. Start here at bottom and follow the numbers up.

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Serious, Toothpaste?!

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It seems simple but actually it is very complicated. I sorta loved reading about Kursk where the defensive belts directed the Germans straight to death, the only way to go was into crossfire or where AT guns had clear view. In Kursk I recall the Red Army had more At guns than Germans had tanks to start with...

http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resour...z2/glantz2.asp

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Don't worry Sturmkruez I believe that you saw it, because I have heard the same thing. Mine was in "The Battle For Russia" some American prpoganda film (well it looks like one anyway, "look at how great the americans are" but "look how terrible the Germans are at everthing") I hate those films. lol.

BUt yes the tactic displayed in that film and to be honest in a few I have seen, did the "break through the first line and fall bacl to the next line, break through the second and fall back on the third, and it continously goes on and the defensive line just gets deeper and deeper making any attack and attempted envolope suicidle, for the fact that even 'if' you penetrate the line then the sheer weight of men and materials just crush the attempted envelope.

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