Originally Posted by chocapic

I don't see Contador beating him, the real contestor would have been Vinokourov, but it looks like even good doctor Ferrari can't do much against falling injuries

Originally Posted by chocapic

Same here, that's what I tried to explain to you when I said that the "anti US jealousy" YOU were talking about was about as stupid as implying the Indianapolis F1 race winner was despised in USA because he was a foreigner winning a race in USA.

(((I never made such an implication--it was YOU who misunderstood what I was trying to say--get YOUR facts straight. Also, I said I don't give a crap (in other words of course)) at who wins at what sport--be it our national one or not, at who wins. All I care about is how well entertained I was in watching said sport. I don't hear the Scots complaining that Tiger Woods beat out their top people in Golf-nor do I hear the British complain at who wins at playing Tennis at Wimbeldon (SP?)))))

So YOU brang the national (((Re-read your post again))))

"it's jealousy towards US runner winning the Tour de France" crap in this doping discussion, not me, don't do this again, if you please.
(((Exactamundo-please)))

BTW the mentionned runners are Italian, Spanish, German, Danish and French.(((Thank you))))

Lemond (((its Lemont is is not?))))

is an American runner, he won the TdF 3 times ! (((((OK, I knew that so what's your point?))))

and there were no attacks against him because he was American, and at the times, his direct opponent to win the race were French runners, which proves how miserable are the "Anti American" theories behind which Armstrong and a bunch of simple minded people hide themselves.

(((Thats bullshit and you know it)))

Ferrari was Armstrong's medical preparator. The man said in 1994 that EPO was not more dangerous than 10 liters of orange juice, and was sentenced 1 year emprisonment in 2001 for sport reglementation fraud and illegal pharmacology.

This does not change the fact that he was the best runner of his generation, you don't win 7 times just because you are better dopped than your opponent (and dopped they were, like Basso for example).

To speak in the way Mussolini (our Mussolini, not the syphilitic facist whale) did above, whatever dope he took or not, he is one of the greatest bicycle rider ever, and I guess we can all agree on this
(((Yes we certainly can and DO agree on this)))

But at a given age, one just has to turn the page of fairytales and Santa Klaus lol

Originally Posted by Mussolini

Well, the reason the French are all over Armstrong and not Lemond is that Armstrong dominated the Tour for 7 straight years. He beat the records set by the greats and he drew a lot of attention to the sport, all loud and obnoxious American fans. A good deal of them are no longer into the Tour de France as LA isnt in it anymore. The Tour came to be about 'how are we going to beat Lance' rather then 'how are we going to win'. The Directors even implemented changes and rules that were to try and prevent Lance from winning again, but obviously they failed. That is why the French hate him. Not to mention the whole Iraq war thing ('Freedom' Fries) and all.

Originally Posted by Erich

off the versus web-site. why does this not surprise me............idiot !

Astana Quits Tour!

By Phil Liggett
July 24, 2007

Alexandre Vinokourov’s positive blood test announced Tuesday has stunned everyone from riders to organisers. Since his crash, he has been portrayed as a limping hero of what, so far, has been a marvellous Tour. Now, he seems to have been caught introducing homologous blood into his system just before the time trial he won in demonstrative fashion.

His Astana team has withdrawn at the invitation of the organizers and Vinokourov suspended by Astana pending the confirmation of his positive test in his B analysis. It is very unusual for the second test not to confirm the first. In short, Vinokourov, one of the most respected riders in the peloton will now leave the sport in disgrace.

British rider David Millar, himself a reformed drug taker has been leading the campaign to clean up the sport and his comment during his own Saunier Duval team’s press conference in Pau, sums up the feelings of most: “I just feel like crying right now.”

Paul, Bob and I are, for once, speechless. We are all very upset and such a stupid action at a time the sport looked to be putting its own house in order. It is incomprehensible that Vinokourov could do such a thing when he must have known he was under suspicion because of his dealing with disgraced doctor Michele Ferrari in Italy. He must have known he would be tested at every opportunity and the time trial was the perfect occasion.

Tomorrow we will know more.