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  1. USMCPrice

    USMCPrice Idiot at Large

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    Sunday 19 October 1941

    Gentlemen,

    This is normally an off day, but given the critical situation at Ichang I felt it necessary to call an abreviated meeting.

    AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 18, 41
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    Morning Air attack on 68th Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)

    Weather in hex: Partial cloud

    Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-27B Nate x 3
    Ki-51 Sonia x 41

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    98 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    10 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 2000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb
    8 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 1000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb
    5 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 3000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb
    3 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 3000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb
    11 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 2000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb
    4 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 1000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb

    Also attacking 67th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 45th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 75th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 68th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 67th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 68th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 45th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 68th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 67th Chinese Corps ...

    Per Admiral Takao's suggestion I checked on the orders the squadron commanders were giving their KI-51 aircrews. I ordered the squadron at Wuchang and Hankow to bump their altitude up to 10,000 feet and dive bomb. The increased effectiveness is readily apparent. Banzai!, Admiral Takao, good call.
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    Morning Air attack on 3rd New Chinese Corps, at 85,54 (Nanchang)

    Weather in hex: Overcast

    Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-51 Sonia x 20

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    40 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    20 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 5000 feet
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb


    I need to check on Nanchang and order them to begin dive bombing.
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    Morning Air attack on 75th Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)

    Weather in hex: Partial cloud

    Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-27B Nate x 2
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily x 37

    Japanese aircraft losses
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily: 1 damaged

    Allied ground losses:
    185 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
    Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    24 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level
    Ground Attack: 4 x 220lb GP Bomb, 8 x 33lb GP Bomb
    8 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level
    Ground Attack: 4 x 220lb GP Bomb, 8 x 33lb GP Bomb
    5 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level
    Ground Attack: 4 x 220lb GP Bomb, 8 x 33lb GP Bomb

    Also attacking 2nd Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 75th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 2nd Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 75th Chinese Corps ...


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    Morning Air attack on 8th Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)

    Weather in hex: Partial cloud

    Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-27B Nate x 6
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily x 18

    Japanese aircraft losses
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily: 1 damaged

    Allied ground losses:
    91 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    18 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level
    Ground Attack: 4 x 220lb GP Bomb, 8 x 33lb GP Bomb



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    Morning Air attack on 2nd Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)

    Weather in hex: Partial cloud

    Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-27B Nate x 3
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily x 12

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    44 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    12 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level
    Ground Attack: 4 x 220lb GP Bomb, 8 x 33lb GP Bomb



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    Morning Air attack on 1st RoC ReserveArmy Corps, at 91,52 (Nanking)

    Weather in hex: Partial cloud

    Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-27B Nate x 12

    Allied aircraft
    A-29A Hudson x 3

    No Japanese losses

    Allied aircraft losses
    A-29A Hudson: 1 destroyed

    CAP engaged:
    17th Fighter Hikota with Ki-27B Nate (4 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    4 plane(s) intercepting now.
    Group patrol altitude is 15000
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes



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    Morning Air attack on 1044th AA Battalion, at 88,52 (Anking)

    Weather in hex: Light cloud

    Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    A5M4 Claude x 18

    Allied aircraft
    SB-III x 3

    No Japanese losses

    Allied aircraft losses
    SB-III: 1 destroyed

    CAP engaged:
    JVNF-03 with A5M4 Claude (6 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    6 plane(s) intercepting now.
    Group patrol altitude is 12000
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes



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    Afternoon Air attack on Lusu War Area , at 92,50 (Hwaiyin)

    Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

    Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-51 Sonia x 21

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    12 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    11 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 1000' *
    Ground Attack: 2 x 110lb GP Bomb
    10 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 2000' *
    Ground Attack: 2 x 110lb GP Bomb



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    Afternoon Air attack on 86th Chinese Corps, at 86,57 (Pucheng)

    Weather in hex: Heavy rain

    Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily x 9

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    6 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    9 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level *
    Ground Attack: 2 x 220lb GP Bomb, 4 x 33lb GP Bomb


    This, the 86th Chinese Corps, is a new formation we just spotted ne by about 100 miles from Foochow, but apparently moving in the direction of some of the units we have establishing FOB's. The 70th Chinese Corps was also spotted about 40 mi sw of the 86th. G2 estimates the 70th at about 9400 men and the 86th at 7300 men. I have ordered FOB 8659 reinforced and for the 111th SASO Co. to suspend it's clearing operations and withdraw to the FOB. I have also ordered several units that were training at Samah to board ships for Foochow. I'd like to clear this area of enemy forces since our Nanning, Wuchow operation is winding down.

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    Afternoon Air attack on 86th Chinese Corps, at 86,57 (Pucheng)

    Weather in hex: Heavy rain

    Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily x 14

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    12 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    14 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level *
    Ground Attack: 2 x 220lb GP Bomb, 4 x 33lb GP Bomb



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    Afternoon Air attack on 86th Chinese Corps, at 86,57 (Pucheng)

    Weather in hex: Heavy rain

    Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily x 14

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    29 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    14 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level *
    Ground Attack: 2 x 220lb GP Bomb, 4 x 33lb GP Bomb



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    Ground combat at Nanning (72,55)

    Japanese Shock attack

    Attacking force 43444 troops, 612 guns, 200 vehicles, Assault Value = 1244

    Defending force 4527 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 42

    Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

    Japanese adjusted assault: 1479

    Allied adjusted defense: 87

    Japanese assault odds: 17 to 1 (fort level 0)

    Japanese forces CAPTURE Nanning !!!

    Combat modifiers
    Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), preparation(-)
    morale(-), experience(-)
    Attacker: shock(+)

    Japanese ground losses:
    23 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

    Allied ground losses:
    2688 casualties reported
    Squads: 22 destroyed, 7 disabled
    Non Combat: 122 destroyed, 10 disabled
    Engineers: 6 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Guns lost 9 (8 destroyed, 1 disabled)
    Units retreated 3

    Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

    Assaulting units:
    40th Infantry Brigade
    42d Infantry Regimental Combat Team
    41st Infantry Brigade
    48th Infantry Division

    Defending units:
    52nd Chinese Corps
    35th Group Army
    9th Chinese Base Force

    Elements of 40th Corps, though not consolidated, took advantage of the enemy's disorganization and seized the city with minimal casualties. I recommend we hold here and prepare to pacify and defend the city. When the mechanized/armored units come up, they were flanking to the east, I will have them pursue. Enemy forces totalling about 2400 men retreating east towards Luchow. In previous combat we have already inflicted 8,325 casualties on the 52d Corps.
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    Ground combat at Wuchow (76,57)

    Japanese Shock attack

    Attacking force 25934 troops, 331 guns, 297 vehicles, Assault Value = 809

    Defending force 3565 troops, 27 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 30

    Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

    Japanese adjusted assault: 549

    Allied adjusted defense: 7

    Japanese assault odds: 78 to 1 (fort level 0)

    Japanese forces CAPTURE Wuchow !!!

    Combat modifiers
    Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
    experience(-)
    Attacker: shock(+)

    Japanese ground losses:
    52 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Allied ground losses:
    1042 casualties reported
    Squads: 113 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Non Combat: 182 destroyed, 3 disabled
    Engineers: 13 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Guns lost 25 (25 destroyed, 0 disabled)
    Units retreated 3

    Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

    Assaulting units:
    16th Armored Battalion
    12th Infantry Regimental Combat Team
    14th Infantry Battalion
    46th Infantry Division
    3d Med Tank Battalion

    Defending units:
    62nd Chinese Corps
    16th Group Army
    13th Chinese Base Force

    10th Corps took Wuchow with minimal casualties. Mechanized units will pursue. I propose we leave an infantry brigade, a mechanized Bn as a QRF and withdraw the other units back to Canton to refit and prepare for attacking Hong Kong in a little over a month. Enemy forces retreating west.

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    Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48)

    Japanese Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 1680 troops, 96 guns, 96 vehicles, Assault Value = 281

    Defending force 6950 troops, 47 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 38

    Allied ground losses:
    147 casualties reported
    Squads: 9 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

    Assaulting units:
    96th SASO
    90th SASO
    94th SASO
    92d SASO
    98th SASO
    21st Sinyang
    95th SASO
    4th RoC Grn Dragon Regiment
    91st SASO
    97th SASO
    93d SASO
    99th SASO
    102d RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    103d RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    6th Seige Gun Brigade
    9th C.China SASO Detachment

    Defending units:
    12th Chinese Corps
    29th Chinese Corps


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    Ground combat at Ichang (83,48)

    Japanese Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 1564 troops, 91 guns, 91 vehicles, Assault Value = 277

    Defending force 47847 troops, 335 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1248

    Allied ground losses:
    364 casualties reported
    Squads: 11 destroyed, 21 disabled
    Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
    Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)

    Assaulting units:
    1st RoC "Tiger" Division
    Ichang MP Co.
    104th RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    105th RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    7th Seige Gun Brigade

    Defending units:
    67th Chinese Corps
    8th Chinese Corps
    68th Chinese Corps
    32nd Chinese Corps
    2nd Chinese Corps
    45th Chinese Corps
    75th Chinese Corps


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    Ground combat at Kweiteh (90,46)

    Japanese Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 1380 troops, 108 guns, 36 vehicles, Assault Value = 364

    Defending force 708 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

    Allied ground losses:
    126 casualties reported
    Squads: 14 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Assaulting units:
    24th Infantry Brigade
    25th Infantry Battalion
    2d 274mm Mtr Battalion
    8th Field Artillery Regiment
    1st 150mm Mtr Battalion
    3d 274mm Mtr Battalion

    Defending units:
    69th Chinese Corps


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    Ground combat at grid 7756

    Japanese Deliberate attack

    Attacking force 630 troops, 0 guns, 84 vehicles, Assault Value = 43

    Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

    Japanese adjusted assault: 24

    Allied adjusted defense: 1

    Japanese assault odds: 24 to 1 (fort level 0)

    Japanese forces CAPTURE grid 7756 !!!

    Combat modifiers
    Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

    Assaulting units:
    2d Light Tank Battalion

    This is the grid immediately north of Wuchow.
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    Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48)

    Allied Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 6835 troops, 45 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 32

    Defending force 9848 troops, 154 guns, 96 vehicles, Assault Value = 281

    Allied ground losses:
    8 casualties reported
    Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Assaulting units:
    12th Chinese Corps
    29th Chinese Corps

    Defending units:
    21st Sinyang
    93d SASO
    90th SASO
    94th SASO
    91st SASO
    98th SASO
    97th SASO
    92d SASO
    96th SASO
    4th RoC Grn Dragon Regiment
    95th SASO
    99th SASO
    6th Seige Gun Brigade
    102d RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    103d RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    9th C.China SASO Detachment


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    Ground combat at Ichang (83,48)

    Allied Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 8128 troops, 78 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1220

    Defending force 8753 troops, 126 guns, 95 vehicles, Assault Value = 277

    Japanese ground losses:
    7 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Allied ground losses:
    8 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Assaulting units:
    45th Chinese Corps
    8th Chinese Corps
    67th Chinese Corps
    68th Chinese Corps
    32nd Chinese Corps
    2nd Chinese Corps
    75th Chinese Corps

    Defending units:
    1st RoC "Tiger" Division
    Ichang MP Co.
    104th RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    105th RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    7th Seige Gun Brigade


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    Ground combat at grid 9148 (91,48)

    Allied Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 779 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

    Defending force 776 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

    Assaulting units:
    89th Chinese Corps

    Defending units:
    30th SASO
    34th SASO


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    Ground combat at Nanchang (85,54)

    Allied Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 5602 troops, 54 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 172

    Defending force 10665 troops, 152 guns, 29 vehicles, Assault Value = 274

    Allied ground losses:
    35 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Assaulting units:
    3rd New Chinese Corps

    Defending units:
    86th SASO
    33d Nanchang Battalion
    184th Regimental Combat Team
    83d SASO
    80th SASO
    82d SASO
    81st SASO
    84th SASO
    88th SASO
    87th SASO
    85th SASO
    89th SASO
    8th C.China SASO Detachment
    145th ArmyAvMaint C
    105th ArmyAvMaint C
    1042d AA Battalion
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    OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Oct 18, 41

    Grid 8957 is occupied by the Japanese
    Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Pakhoi
    CS Convoy TF 11 will load Resources at Haiphong for return to Samah
    Repairs completed on CV-04 Soryu at Takao, ship returned to service
    Coastwatcher Report: 7 ships in port at Hong Kong
    Coastwatcher Report: 4 ships in port at Pakhoi
    CS Convoy TF 4 will load Fuel at Hirosaki/Aomori for return to Hakodate
    CS Convoy TF 7 will load Supplies at Fukuoka for return to Fusan
    H6K4 Mavis reports periscope wake at 59, 80 near Groot Natoena
    E7K2 Alf sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 82,64 near Swatow, speed 13, Moving West
    F1M2 Pete sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 64,72 near Cam Ranh Bay, speed 11, Moving Northwest
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Balabac
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Allied unit at Changsha
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Allied unit at San Fernando
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Banggi
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Changsha
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of San Fernando
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily from 203d BmbAttk Grp crashes on landing
    F1M2 Pete reports shape below surface at 65, 73 near Cam Ranh Bay
    F1M2 Pete reports oil slick at 64, 72 near Cam Ranh Bay
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Groot Natoena
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Wuchow
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Allied unit at San Fernando
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Soebi-besar
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Wuchow
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of San Fernando
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily from 201st BmbAttk Grp crashes on landing
    Repairs completed on CV-02 Akagi at Takao, ship returned to service
    CS Convoy TF 5 begins loading Oil at Muroran for delivery to Ominato
    Japanese forces CAPTURE Nanning !!!
    Japanese forces CAPTURE Wuchow !!!
    Japanese forces CAPTURE grid 7756 !!!
    DD-25 Mutsuki beginning refit in shipyard at Port Arthur
    DD-26 Kisaragi beginning refit in shipyard at Port Arthur
    DD-27 Yayoi beginning refit in shipyard at Port Arthur
    JVNTSP-904 at Tsu converting to L2D2 Tabby supplied from Hiroshima/Kure
    22d Shanghai Battalion - some devices have been upgraded at Shanghai
    23d Shanghai Battalion - some devices have been upgraded at Shanghai
    Delayed planes for the aircraft pool:
    2 (1) x L2D3(N) Tabby
    62d Infantry Regimental Combat Team takes replacements from Wuchang
    Hakodate NavSuppDet Base Force takes replacements from Sapporo
    Muroran NavSuppDet Base Force takes replacements from Sapporo
    18th Soochow Regiment's TOE was upgraded to RoC Infantry Regiment at Soochow
    22d Shanghai Regiment's TOE was upgraded to RoC Infantry Regiment at Shanghai
    23d Shanghai Regiment's TOE was upgraded to RoC Infantry Regiment at Shanghai
    Fusan Naval Base Force's TOE was upgraded to L5 Naval Support Base Force at Fusan
    4th Trans Hikotai arrives at Nagasaki/Sasebo
    1st RoC SASO arrives at Shanghai
    2d RoC SASO arrives at Shanghai
    3d RoC SASO arrives at Shanghai
    4th RoC SASO arrives at Shanghai
    5th RoC SASO arrives at Shanghai
     
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    AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 19, 41
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    Morning Air attack on 2nd Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)

    Weather in hex: Light rain

    Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-27B Nate x 5
    Ki-51 Sonia x 22

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    58 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    6 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 2000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb
    5 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 3000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb
    3 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 1000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb
    8 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 1000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb

    Also attacking 67th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 75th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 2nd Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 67th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 2nd Chinese Corps ...


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    Morning Air attack on 75th Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)

    Weather in hex: Light rain

    Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-51 Sonia x 19

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    18 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    9 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 1000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb
    8 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 2000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb
    2 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 3000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb



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    Morning Air attack on Lusu War Area , at 92,50 (Hwaiyin)

    Weather in hex: Partial cloud

    Raid spotted at 7 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-51 Sonia x 24

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    36 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    7 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 3000' *
    Ground Attack: 2 x 110lb GP Bomb
    5 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 1000' *
    Ground Attack: 2 x 110lb GP Bomb
    12 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 2000' *
    Ground Attack: 2 x 110lb GP Bomb



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    Morning Air attack on 3rd New Chinese Corps, at 85,54 (Nanchang)

    Weather in hex: Severe storms

    Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-51 Sonia x 16

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    8 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    8 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 3000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb
    4 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 1000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb
    4 x Ki-51 Sonia releasing from 2000'
    Ground Attack: 4 x 110lb GP Bomb



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    Morning Air attack on 68th Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)

    Weather in hex: Light rain

    Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-27B Nate x 3
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily x 42

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    228 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    21 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level
    Ground Attack: 4 x 220lb GP Bomb, 8 x 33lb GP Bomb
    13 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level
    Ground Attack: 4 x 220lb GP Bomb, 8 x 33lb GP Bomb
    8 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level
    Ground Attack: 4 x 220lb GP Bomb, 8 x 33lb GP Bomb

    Also attacking 45th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 8th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 75th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 68th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 45th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 68th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 8th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 75th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 68th Chinese Corps ...
    Also attacking 45th Chinese Corps ...


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    Morning Air attack on 32nd Chinese Corps, at 83,48 (Ichang)

    Weather in hex: Light rain

    Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-27B Nate x 6
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily x 13

    Japanese aircraft losses
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily: 1 damaged

    Allied ground losses:
    135 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    13 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level
    Ground Attack: 4 x 220lb GP Bomb, 8 x 33lb GP Bomb



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    Morning Air attack on 88th Chinese Corps, at grid 90,56

    Weather in hex: Overcast

    Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    D3A1 Val x 15

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    51 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
    Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
    Ground Attack: 1 x 551lb GP Bomb
    3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
    Ground Attack: 1 x 551lb GP Bomb
    2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
    Ground Attack: 1 x 551lb GP Bomb
    2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
    Ground Attack: 1 x 551lb GP Bomb



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    Morning Air attack on 77th Infantry Division, at 84,51 (Wuchang)

    Weather in hex: Clear sky

    Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 1 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-27B Nate x 21

    Allied aircraft
    SB-III x 2

    No Japanese losses

    Allied aircraft losses
    SB-III: 1 destroyed

    Aircraft Attacking:
    2 x SB-III bombing from 17000 feet *
    Ground Attack: 3 x 220lb GP Bomb

    CAP engaged:
    7th Fighter Hikota with Ki-27B Nate (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    (3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
    3 plane(s) intercepting now.
    Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
    Raid is overhead
    14th Fighter Hikota with Ki-27B Nate (8 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
    8 plane(s) intercepting now.
    Group patrol altitude is 10000
    Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes

    Training flight from 14th Fighter Hikota has been caught up in attack


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    Afternoon Air attack on 70th Chinese Corps, at 86,58

    Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

    Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily x 23

    No Japanese losses

    Allied ground losses:
    15 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Aircraft Attacking:
    9 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level
    Ground Attack: 4 x 220lb GP Bomb, 8 x 33lb GP Bomb
    14 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level
    Ground Attack: 4 x 220lb GP Bomb, 8 x 33lb GP Bomb



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    Afternoon Air attack on 70th Chinese Corps, at 86,58

    Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

    Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
    Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

    Japanese aircraft
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily x 14

    No Japanese losses

    Aircraft Attacking:
    14 x Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily bombing and strafing from low level
    Ground Attack: 4 x 220lb GP Bomb, 8 x 33lb GP Bomb



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    Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48)

    Japanese Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 1680 troops, 96 guns, 96 vehicles, Assault Value = 282

    Defending force 6810 troops, 45 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 32

    Allied ground losses:
    174 casualties reported
    Squads: 7 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

    Assaulting units:
    93d SASO
    95th SASO
    94th SASO
    98th SASO
    91st SASO
    96th SASO
    97th SASO
    21st Sinyang
    90th SASO
    92d SASO
    4th RoC Grn Dragon Regiment
    99th SASO
    6th Seige Gun Brigade
    103d RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    102d RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    9th C.China SASO Detachment

    Defending units:
    12th Chinese Corps
    29th Chinese Corps


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    Ground combat at Ichang (83,48)

    Japanese Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 1580 troops, 91 guns, 91 vehicles, Assault Value = 283

    Defending force 47371 troops, 331 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1195

    Japanese ground losses:
    Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

    Allied ground losses:
    326 casualties reported
    Squads: 10 destroyed, 11 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
    Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)

    Assaulting units:
    1st RoC "Tiger" Division
    Ichang MP Co.
    104th RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    105th RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    7th Seige Gun Brigade

    Defending units:
    32nd Chinese Corps
    67th Chinese Corps
    68th Chinese Corps
    8th Chinese Corps
    2nd Chinese Corps
    45th Chinese Corps
    75th Chinese Corps


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    Ground combat at Kweiteh (90,46)

    Japanese Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 1380 troops, 108 guns, 36 vehicles, Assault Value = 410

    Defending force 609 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

    Allied ground losses:
    92 casualties reported
    Squads: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Assaulting units:
    25th Infantry Battalion
    24th Infantry Brigade
    28th Infantry Battalion
    2d 274mm Mtr Battalion
    8th Field Artillery Regiment
    1st 150mm Mtr Battalion
    3d 274mm Mtr Battalion

    Defending units:
    69th Chinese Corps


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    Ground combat at Hwaiyin (92,50)

    Japanese Deliberate attack

    Attacking force 2595 troops, 0 guns, 158 vehicles, Assault Value = 91

    Defending force 650 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

    Japanese adjusted assault: 21

    Allied adjusted defense: 2

    Japanese assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 1)

    Japanese forces CAPTURE Hwaiyin !!!

    Combat modifiers
    Defender: morale(-), experience(-)
    Attacker: leaders(-)

    Allied ground losses:
    168 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 25 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Units retreated 1

    Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

    Assaulting units:
    11th Armored Battalion

    Defending units:
    Lusu War Area


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    Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48)

    Allied Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 5159 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 24

    Defending force 9857 troops, 154 guns, 96 vehicles, Assault Value = 282

    Allied ground losses:
    8 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Assaulting units:
    29th Chinese Corps
    12th Chinese Corps

    Defending units:
    93d SASO
    97th SASO
    21st Sinyang
    98th SASO
    4th RoC Grn Dragon Regiment
    95th SASO
    90th SASO
    91st SASO
    94th SASO
    96th SASO
    92d SASO
    99th SASO
    103d RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    6th Seige Gun Brigade
    102d RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    9th C.China SASO Detachment


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    Ground combat at Ichang (83,48)

    Allied Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 19833 troops, 109 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1170

    Defending force 8876 troops, 129 guns, 94 vehicles, Assault Value = 283

    Assaulting units:
    68th Chinese Corps
    67th Chinese Corps
    32nd Chinese Corps
    2nd Chinese Corps
    45th Chinese Corps
    8th Chinese Corps
    75th Chinese Corps

    Defending units:
    1st RoC "Tiger" Division
    Ichang MP Co.
    105th RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    104th RoC Inf Gun Field Artillery Battalion
    7th Seige Gun Brigade


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    Ground combat at grid 8658

    Allied Deliberate attack

    Attacking force 9285 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 631

    Defending force 388 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 13

    Allied adjusted assault: 174

    Japanese adjusted defense: 7

    Allied assault odds: 24 to 1

    Combat modifiers
    Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
    Attacker:

    Japanese ground losses:
    118 casualties reported
    Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
    Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Units retreated 1

    Allied ground losses:
    51 casualties reported
    Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

    Assaulting units:
    70th Chinese Corps
    86th Chinese Corps

    Defending units:
    111th SASO

    The 111th SASO was pulling back as ordered, but elements of the two Chinese Corps that we had discovered operating in the area had managed to throw small units across their line of retreat in order to slow them so larger elements could catch, engage and destroy them. The 111th managed to fight through the roadblocks, blocking positions and make it back to the relative safety of FOB 8659, where the 110th, 113th and 114th SASO companies had already halted. The 85th and 86th Infantry Divisions have been ordered north out of Foochow guarantee the security of the FOB and once there to continue forward to engage and destroy these two Chinese Corps.
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    Ground combat at F0B 9148 (91,48)

    Allied Bombardment attack

    Attacking force 779 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

    Defending force 776 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

    Japanese ground losses:
    31 casualties reported
    Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
    Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
    Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

    Assaulting units:
    89th Chinese Corps

    89th Corps was retreating north across the Huang River after having previously been engaged by our forces at Pengpu. The 30th and 34th were engaged in setting up this new FOB when the 89th launched this IDF attack. I am rather angry that elements of the 5th Cavalry that had been ordered earlier in the month (on the 6th) to secure this, and another crossing of the river, have not done so. In the meantime the 30th and 34th SASO companies have been ordered to remain on the defensive and attempt to pin the 89th with IDF fire, air strikes have been ordered and 1st Mechanized Infantry Bn ordered to cease their operations to the east and move with all possible speed to fix, engage and destroy this Chinese formation.

    Defending units:
    30th SASO
    34th SASO
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    OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Oct 19, 41

    Grid 8652 is occupied by the Japanese
    Coastwatcher Report: 1 ship in port at Pakhoi
    Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Wenchow
    CS Convoy TF 4 will load Fuel at Hirosaki/Aomori for return to Hakodate
    CS Convoy TF 7 will load Supplies at Fukuoka for return to Fusan
    CS Convoy TF 18 will load Supplies at Hirosaki/Aomori for return to Hakodate
    Coastwatcher Report: 7 ships in port at Hong Kong
    Coastwatcher Report: 3 ships in port at Pakhoi
    Coastwatcher Report: 4 ships in port at Wenchow
    CS Convoy TF 18 will load Supplies at Hirosaki/Aomori for return to Hakodate
    CS Convoy TF 20 will load Supplies at Kagoshima for return to Shanghai
    E7K2 Alf sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 84,62 near Pescadores, speed 16, Moving East
    F1M2 Pete reports oil slick at 65, 72 near Cam Ranh Bay
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Soebi-besar
    2LT Gyuba H. of 14th Fighter Hikota is credited with kill number 2
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Laoag
    Ki-48-IB (UA) Lily from 205th BmbAttk Grp is damaged on landing
    H6K4 Mavis reports diving submarine at 62, 74 near Cam Ranh Bay
    E7K2 Alf reports possible submarine at 86, 60 near Foochow
    E7K2 Alf sighting report: 7 Allied ships at 86,60 near Foochow, speed 13, Moving West
    Ki-15-II Babs takes recon photos of Soebi-besar
    Ki-27B Nate from 20th Fighter Hikota is damaged on landing
    Repairs completed on AMc Tama Maru #3 at Samah, ship returned to service
    CS Convoy TF 7 begins loading Resources at Fusan for delivery to Fukuoka
    CS Convoy TF 11 begins loading Supplies at Samah for delivery to Haiphong
    Japanese forces CAPTURE Hwaiyin !!!
    F0B 8549 expands fortifications to size 1
    F0B 6956 expands fortifications to size 1
    CA-09 Takao beginning refit in shipyard at Kobe
    CA-10 Atago beginning refit in shipyard at Kobe
    CA-11 Maya beginning refit in shipyard at Kobe
    CA-12 Chokai beginning refit in shipyard at Kobe
    CA-07 Haguro beginning refit in shipyard at Kobe
    CA-08 Ashigara beginning refit in shipyard at Kobe
    DD-S70 Harusame beginning refit in shipyard at Hiroshima/Kure
    DD-S71 Samidare beginning refit in shipyard at Hiroshima/Kure
    DD-S73 Yamakaze beginning refit in shipyard at Hiroshima/Kure
    DD-S74 Kawakaze beginning refit in shipyard at Hiroshima/Kure
    DD-S72 Umikaze beginning refit in shipyard at Hiroshima/Kure
    DD-S75 Suzukaze beginning refit in shipyard at Hiroshima/Kure
    DD-F37 Fubuki beginning refit in shipyard at Osaka/Kyoto
    DD-F38 Shirayuki beginning refit in shipyard at Osaka/Kyoto
    DD-F39 Hatsuyuki beginning refit in shipyard at Osaka/Kyoto
    DD-F40 Murakumo beginning refit in shipyard at Osaka/Kyoto
    DD-31 Fumizuki beginning refit in shipyard at Osaka/Kyoto
    DD-33 Kikuzuki beginning refit in shipyard at Osaka/Kyoto
    DD-32 Nagatsuki beginning refit in shipyard at Osaka/Kyoto
    DD-34 Mikazuki beginning refit in shipyard at Osaka/Kyoto
    DD-35 Mochizuki beginning refit in shipyard at Osaka/Kyoto
    DD-36 Yuzuki beginning refit in shipyard at Osaka/Kyoto
    Delayed planes for the aircraft pool:
    0 (1) x L2D3(N) Tabby
    Fusan Naval Base Force takes replacements from Rashin
    25th Hangchow Regiment takes replacements from Hangchow
    26th Hangchow Regiment takes replacements from Hangchow
    18th Soochow Regiment's TOE was upgraded to T41-B RoC Infantry Regiment at Soochow
    1st NavCbtCnst 's TOE was upgraded to T42 NavCbtCnst Bn. at Fusan
    Low garrison leads to partisan attack and damage at Shanghai (92, 55)!
    I need to increase the garrison at Shanghai to prevent further sabatoge.
     
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    HQ Combined Fleet
    Commander, Submarine Forces
    21 October, 1941

    Gentlemen,

    Our office was preparing to assign submarines to squadrons, and those squadrons to patrol zones for proposed upcoming operations against locations controlled by British, Dutch and Free French Forces. Additionally, we will need to assign squadrons to observe US bases and fleets, and in the case of US intervention to attack same.

    Recommendations from our Naval staff and coordination with ground commanders is solicited.

    respectfully,
     
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    It looks to me like one of the ahistorical aspects of this game is the coherence of the Chinese. My impression is that historically even among the nationalist there was a lot of infighting and petty politics. This will likely make the Japanese campaign in China significantly tougher than the historical case, especially if those controlling the Chinese forces are good.
     
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    I don't know that they are actually showing more coherence, especially at this early date. I have not noticed any coordination between the KMT and Communists yet. That's because I have one person coordinating each force and they have promised not to cooperate unless our moderator advises them to. The numbers and locations of units are historical, what's changed is that we launched ahistorical operations and I suspect the determined attack on Ichang (IRL, the Chinese units were in the area) is to divert us from our plan. I think we hurt them enough around Sinyang right off the bat, that they couldn't press their advantage there. Or their commander decided that it would be a feint and never intended to consolidate against it. It is the easier of the two locations to reinforce. As for the heavy contact in the other areas. Historically, in 1941, Japan was content to control the population centers, major roads and railways. The Chinese pretty much had free reign in the countryside. We upset this historical situation when we went about attempting to clear the countryside, and in areas Japan didn't fight for during this time frame. We're pushing the Chinese out of areas that they historically weren't required to fight over. We're also using a lot of flanking movements, cutting lines of retreat, forcing dispersed units to consolidate to fight their way out or counter attack. Logistically, I'm burning through a lot of supplies and materials that historically would have been being stockpiled for our invasion of the Philippines and attacks against other American outposts. Months ago when Nishio and I were discussing our options in China, we decided while it will cost us a good deal up front, if we can achieve our goal the additional supply, manpower and resources generated by controlling these areas will repay our investment many times over. The Council decided earlier not to preemptively attack the US. We also decided that if we went to war with the US we would isolate the Philippines and take only those lightly defended areas necessary to cut them off from resupply and reinforcement. These supplies and materials are being used to construct the series of FOB's were putting in place to prevent re-infiltration and to pacify and secure the countryside. Many of the troops we're using were from larger formations we planned to use in the Philippines, or forces that units originally intended to be used in the Philippines have replaced. We broke them down into self-sustaining, reinforced companies. Enough force to secure a sector in the short term and to raise and train local Chinese units that can eventually take over their own security.
    As I said earlier, it's too soon for the majority of Chinese units responding on the strategic level to have reached their destinations or to have responded to our attacks. On the operational level, units already in place are responding to our actions, but really only in a localized sense (except for possibly Ichang, that may be an attempt to influence us on the strategic level). Our operations in the far west, Lang, Son, Nanning, Kwangchowan, Wuchow, Canton region, were coordinated on our part, but the Chinese forces we fought were each fighting their own fight. This allowed us to concentrate overwhelming force in most cases, against their seperate parts, and destroy them with minimal friendly casualties. Rapid and effective pursuit kept them off balance and prevented them from consolidating and making a real fight of it. Once again, we went after them, not vice versa.
     
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    I'm thinking more on the strategic level and yes it's unlikely to show up yet. I'm far from an expert but some of my reading indicated that various factions of the Nationalist forces seem to consider other factions to be of as much or greater concern than the Japanese. Especially those some distance from the Japanese. One could argue though that your changes might have forced more coherence in the Chinese response long term as well. It will be interesting to see how this developes.
     
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    Care to offer your opinions on this? I'm thinking four boats per squadron, using the same of similar class within each subron. Then we need to decide where to deploy to get the maximum utility from our sub force. Additionally, I intend to deploy small TF's with an AS and AV to keep the subs supplied and provide fresh intelligence on enemy movements.
     
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    Is there a list you can copy-paste, as there were more than a handful of I-Boats and RO-Boats that were from the 20s, that probably should be kept closer to home, both because of range and possible maintenance issues.
     
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    Here's a list of types. The numbers of each type are in the linked page I believe:
    http://www.combinedfleet.com/ss.htm
    Range and other parameters are there as well.

    That reminded me that the Japanese changed the numbers on their subs at some point so you may want to standardize on either the early or late numbering system to avoid confusion.
     
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    Perhaps, I should have been clearer.

    What submarines are currently rated as operational, are any boats undergoing refit, are any boats anticipated to undergo refit during our planned operations, etc.

    On December 1, 1941, the Japanese submarines were arranged as such:

    Combined Fleet
    -4th Submarine Squadron
    Flag: Kinu(CL)
    Tender: Nagoya Maru(AS)
    18th SubDiv
    I-53
    I-54
    I-55
    19th SubDiv
    I-56
    I-57
    I-58
    21st SubDiv
    RO-33
    RO-34

    -5th Submarine Squadron
    Flag: Yura(CL)
    Tender: Rio De Janeiro Maru(AS)
    28th SubDiv
    I-59
    I-60
    29th SubDiv
    I-62
    I-64
    30th SubDiv
    I-65
    I-66

    Third Fleet
    6th Submarine Squadron
    Tender: Chogei(AS)
    9th SubDiv
    I-123
    I-124
    13th SubDiv
    I-121
    I-122

    Fourth Fleet
    7th Submarine Squadron
    Tender: Jingei(AS)
    26th SubDiv
    RO-60
    RO-61
    RO-62
    27th SubDiv
    RO-65
    RO-66
    RO-67
    33rd SubDiv
    RO-63
    RO-64
    RO-68

    Sixth Fleet/Submarine Fleet
    Flag: Katori
    1st Submarine Squadron
    Flag: I-9
    Tender: Yasukuni Maru(AS)
    1st SubDiv
    I-15
    I-16
    I-17
    2nd SubDiv
    I-18
    I-19
    I-20
    3rd SubDiv
    I-21
    I-22
    I-23
    4th SubDiv
    I-24
    I-25
    I-26

    2nd Submarine Squadron
    Flags: I-7, I-10
    Tender: Santos Maru(AS)
    7th SubDiv
    I-1
    I-2
    I-3
    8th SubDiv
    I-4
    I-5
    I-6

    3rd Submarine Squadron
    Flag: I-8
    Tender: Taigei(AS)
    11th SubDiv
    I-74
    I-75
    12th SubDiv
    I-68
    I-69
    I-70
    20th SubDiv
    I-71
    I-72
    I-73

    Kure Naval District Force
    Assigned to HQ
    I-52
    RO-31(training)
    6th SubDiv
    RO-57
    RO-58
    RO-59


    Now, we are slating to upgrade Kinu and Yura to anti-aircraft cruisers, and Taigei historically became the aircraft carrier Ryuho(taken out of service just before the start of the Pacific War)

    IIRC, there was talk of modifying Katori, but I cannot remember if anything was decided on this.
     
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    Here's a list of built boats excluding those with HA-numbers, those are midgets, Ko Gata Type A, Otsu Gata Type B and Hei Gata Type C. Because of short range I was going to deploy them to those ports where we would most likely face an invasion and use them to attack the enemy's transport/and cargo vessels. We can use them for another task or purpose if so desired. As for larger classes we currently have:

    Name Location Speed Class ID
    SST I-1 Shimonoseki 18 Type J1 10/41 1025 in refit
    SST I-2 Shimonoseki 18 Type J1 10/41 1026 in refit
    SST I-3 Shimonoseki 18 Type J1 10/41 1027 in refit
    SST I-4 Shimonoseki 18 Type J1 10/41 1028 in refit
    SST I-5 Shimonoseki 18 Type J1 10/41 1029 in refit
    SST I-6 Yokohama/Yokosuka 18 Type J2
    SS I-7 Fukuoka 23 Type J3 1031
    SS I-8 Fukuoka 23 Type J3 1032
    SST I-9 Yokohama/Yokosuka 23 Type A1
    SS I-15 Subron S-01 23 Type B1/B2 1039
    SS I-16 Subron S-02 23 Type C1 1040
    SS I-17 Subron S-01 23 Type B1/B2 1041
    SS I-18 Subron S-02 23 Type C1 1042
    SS I-19 Subron S-01 23 Type B1/B2 1043
    SS I-20 Subron S-02 23 Type C1 1044
    SS I-21 Subron S-01 23 Type B1/B2 1045
    SS I-22 Subron S-02 23 Type C1 1046
    SS I-23 Fukuoka 23 Type B1/B2 1047
    SS I-24 Fukuoka 23 Type C1 1048
    SS I-25 Fukuoka 23 Type B1/B2 1049
    SS I-121 Fukuoka 14 Type KRS 1082
    SS I-122 Fukuoka 14 Type KRS 1083
    SS I-123 Fukuoka 14 Type KRS 1084
    SS I-124 Fukuoka 14 Type KRS 1085
    SS I-153 Fukuoka 20 Type KD3A/B 1089
    SS I-154 Fukuoka 20 Type KD3A/B 1090
    SS I-155 Fukuoka 20 Type KD3A/B 1091
    SS I-156 Fukuoka 20 Type KD3A/B 1092
    SS I-157 Fukuoka 20 Type KD3A/B 1093
    SS I-158 Fukuoka 20 Type KD3A/B 1094
    SS I-159 Fukuoka 20 Type KD3A/B 1095
    SS I-160 Fukuoka 20 Type KD3A/B 1096
    SS I-162 Fukuoka 20 Type KD4 1097
    SS I-164 Fukuoka 20 Type KD4 1098
    SS I-165 Fukuoka 20 Type KD5 1099
    SS I-166 Fukuoka 20 Type KD5 1100
    SS I-168 Fukuoka 23 Type KD6A 1101
    SS I-169 Fukuoka 23 Type KD6A 1102
    SS I-170 Fukuoka 23 Type KD6A 1103
    SS I-171 Fukuoka 23 Type KD6A 1104
    SS I-172 Fukuoka 23 Type KD6A 1105
    SS I-173 Fukuoka 23 Type KD6A 1106
    SS I-174 Fukuoka 23 Type KD6B 1107
    SS I-175 Fukuoka 23 Type KD6B 1108
    SS RO-33 Fukuoka 19 Type K5 1129
    SS RO-34 Fukuoka 19 Type K5 1130
    SS RO-60 Fukuoka 16 Type L4 1149
    SS RO-61 Fukuoka 16 Type L4 1150
    SS RO-62 Fukuoka 16 Type L4 1151
    SS RO-63 Fukuoka 16 Type L4 1152
    SS RO-64 Fukuoka 16 Type L4 1153
    SS RO-65 Fukuoka 16 Type L4 1154
    SS RO-66 Fukuoka 16 Type L4 1155
    SS RO-67 Fukuoka 16 Type L4 1156
    SS RO-68 Fukuoka 16 Type L4 1157
    SS RO-57 Fukuoka 16 Type L4 15045
    SS RO-58 Fukuoka 16 Type L4 15046
    SS RO-59 Fukuoka 16 Type L4 15047

    The boats in blue I have already assigned to Subrons S-01 is on it's way to Cam Rahn Bay, S-02 to Truk. There are a number of boats under construction, the closest to commissioning are, I-10 we'll have in 9 days, I-26 in 15. They will however need to work up, but will be available in a pinch if we need them.

    Some of the subs you have listed were renumbered during the war. For instance I-53 was renumbered I-153 in May of '42, my list reflects the later numbers. SS I-154 on my list would be 18th SubDivs I-54, this is because another I-54 (Type B3/B4 Class) was launched in March '44 and the duplication in numbers could result in confusion within the game.
     
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    Note to Kanada Keshi: The 1st Roc "Tiger" Division has performed extremely well during the seige. A Chinese Corps is normally composed of three divisions, and we're facing six Corps at Ichang. I think stories in the papers of major occupied Chinese cities about the heroic "Tiger" Division, surrounded and holding off 18 Chinese Divisions and being supported with air and artillery by their Japanese allies makes for an epic story. It should build pride in the Chinese military, increase recruitment efforts, and lessen fear of Chiang's KMT or the Communist Chinese armies. See if you can leak it to the western press also. The public will then be given the impression of Chinese fighting Chinese, and not Japan oppressing China. If the seige is resolved successfully, I'd like to get press photos of the 2d "Red Dragon" Brigade linkking up and relieving the heroic "Tiger" division. Once, we have a major victory by our Chinese, we can reform the government and announce a ten year plan for Chinese independance. Need to do these things from a position of strength, not let it appear we are forced into it.

    Dang, this is hard.
    Spent at least 20 min trying to find anything on 1st ROC Japanese Tiger division.
    Could only find a 19th ROK, and zero mention of any activity in Oct 1941... 1938, 1943 had some info.
    Thinking I don't have enough grey matter to participate here.
    Much respect to those who are able to type out a reasonable response in short order.
     
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    *NOTE*

    To other readers comparing the two lists...

    Outside of I-121, I-122, I-123, and I-124(which were renumbered on June 1, 1938), the other I-1XX were not renumbered until May, 1942 - so read those I-1XX boats as I-XX.
     
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    Since you provided it I went ahead and compared the lists. All boats match up except RO-65 that appears on your list twice (highlighted in blue). RO-31 was a Kaichū V boat and was retained only as a training boat, the other boats of her class (RO-29 decommissioned 04Jan '36, RO-30 and 32 decommissioned 04 Jan '42) I didn't include these boats on my search list because we can't use them for combat operations and they're too old to justify a refit. The only other boat that doesn't match up is RO-68, on my list not yours. RO-68 was Type L4 boat commissioned in 1925, decommissioned in 1945. Don't know why she's missing.

    Yes sir. They currently remain in their original configuration, Katori, Kashima and Kashii (for those of you interested, and haven't followed the thread from early on, more info here:) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katori-class_cruiser.
    Our modifications were aimed at making them flagships for escort groups. Service as submarine squadron flagships would be just as applicable without the mods, even more so if refitted as planned. There are also a number of ships that we can refit, when we so desire as submarine tenders (AS)
     
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    Don't worry. The reason you didn't find it is because long ago we discussed renumbering, renaming and giving special colors to outstanding Chinese units to build morale and pride. That's why you didn't find it. We were also going to rename the RGC (Reorganized Government of China) the Republic of China when we did a re-organization/reboot to try and build support for it. I renamed the unit before we officially re-organized the government. My bust. Stick with it, you'll be fine. If you have any questions someone on the council will have the answer. Both Lwd and Takao must have eidetic memory's and they don't bite, so ask away.
    Now, per your job. Write a dispatch like a good propoganda minister, and tell us how you'd propogate it and where.
     
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    When patrolling I suggest keeping track of the American oilers, since those will be the indicators of aggressive action. We know the American CV's go out a lot and so tracking them could be difficult and may make the Americans nervous if to close for too long. The only way the American carriers can conduct operations near the Philippines or the S Pacific is with their oilers.
     
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    Very good suggestion!
     
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    "Now, per your job. Write a dispatch like a good propoganda minister, and tell us how you'd propogate it and where."

    Can i do that after lunch?

    Because looking up edipus..uh..dietic..uh .EIDETIC could take a while...
    But seriously, am I just making this stuff up- or will I be looking for some internet historical relevance?..Because I could just wing it, but it might look like a Taco Bell script for a new Godzilla movie.
    Ready to perform poorly, Sir!
     
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    You will be making it up, but based upon a strong historical footing. I'll walk you through this one. Hang with me. Once you get the hang of it you'll enjoy it and learn a lot doing the research. Your out of the box thinking will prove quite usefull to us in the long run.
     
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    That was my fault...The second RO-65 should have been RO-68. Post has now been edited and fixed.

    Thanks for the catch
     

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