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Collaboration % per country.

Discussion in 'Those Who Served' started by NihonNOGAY, Jan 30, 2019.

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  1. NihonNOGAY

    NihonNOGAY New Member

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    I found a statistic saying that less than 0.1% of Poles collaborated with the Naizs,
    does anyone have statistics for other countries like France, or even Germany themselves?
     
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    Statistics by populations are mostly useless. Like in the case of morality, everyone has its own definition of collaboration - you could argue it was 10 percent, 0.1 percent, or less.
    For example, millions of Poles worked for the German war industry (as slaves), and that was quite a contribution.

    Collaboration is only meaningful if governments, political parties, political or religious leaders are involved.
    In this case, you can argue convincingly than Poland was the only country in Europe that didn't collaborate. But without a precise definition, percentages shouldn't be used.
    Comparing contributions to the German war effort, especially the sizes of the armed forces fighting on the German side would be much more useful.

    btw what number would you allocate to the USSR in 1940, only Stalin collaborated (so basically 0 percent), or the entire country (100 percent).
    Or the not occupied by the Germans Finland (so they really weren't able to collaborate), which itself was a victim of Soviet imperialism, but still contributed a lot to the German war effort.
     
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    A good question to ask Nihon,but as wm pointed out, collaboration is quite subjective, and their are numerous occasions where collaboration wasn't documented.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member Patron   WW2|ORG Editor

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    When I first put Cross-Channel Attack online I got several emails saying I needed to change "collaborationist" to something else. (I forget what they wanted to change it to as I had no intention of revisionist editing.)
     
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    I think you would have to define what you term 'Collaborationist' and go from there. I think it would be hard to come up with an actual number or percentage as well due to the definition and how/if it was even documented.
     
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    The Milice fran├žaise?
    They worked for their own government which (unwillingly) collaborated.
    They didn't care much about the Germans, but it's said they were collaborators.

    Another example Hungary, the majority supported their own government, again an unwilling ally of Germany, which actually was trying to surrender to the Allies.
    A minority were against their own government, demanded a fascist state, and more collaboration with Germany.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member Patron   WW2|ORG Editor

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    Can we start with Pierre Laval?
     
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    It is foolish to put a number on an intangible.

    Lets start with the figure quoted of one in a thousand Poles. Who is defined as a pole? For a start some 800k of 35m 1939 Polish citizens spoke German and a 6.7m were Ukrainians or Beylorussians a good proportion of whom served the Germans in some capacity. 500,000 Poles served in the Wehrmacht.

    What counts as collaboration? Were Schindler's Jews collaborating? What about the Jewish government in the Ghettos?
     

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