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Does Obama have ulterior motives?

Discussion in 'The Stump' started by QuantumThinker, Sep 1, 2009.

  1. C.Evans

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    Which also has the "failed" eh HEM--"""""Talents""""" of failed comedians on it-instead of someone qualified who also went through Journalism School-much unlike one of their """star""" talk show hosts in the name of jennine garafalofalofalofalofalo. :rolleyes: I wonder what makes them think that a MoRoN like this yippi, has any qualifications to say much about anything? Same goes for al frankenSTEIN.
     
  2. IntIron

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    TA:

    You have a good point.

    Bill
     
  3. JagdtigerI

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    No you're right, he just set up wiretaps....eliminate the middleman....much more efficient...:rolleyes:
     
  4. T.Walpole

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    Is it??
    What's more efficient than having the population watching their neighbors and keeping the "civilian security forces" informed about those who dare to speak out against Obama "national security objectives", which include implementing the green agenda.
    YouTube - Obama Civilian Security - Obama calls for "civilian security force"
    Obama Addresses National Security - washingtonpost.com - Obama lays out his national security objectives
     
  5. JagdtigerI

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    Where in either of those links does Obama talk about civilians informing him about "those who dare to speak out against him?"

    Furthermore, please do show me something indicating Obama has set up such institutions.....even if he had, so what.....

    Bush set up wiretaps without court authorization......listening directly to people's conversations......is that ok?
     
  6. T.Walpole

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    JagdtigerI,

    How about the White House official website? Is that official enough for you? The White House - Blog Post - Facts Are Stubborn Things

    Verbatim Quote from the site: "There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

    All email traffic sent to the white house becomes part of the public record by law.
     
  7. JagdtigerI

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    Slightly different than "anyone who dares speak out against Obama".........I don't even see a similarity......

    ......such unnecessary exaggeration.......what the heck is wrong with the above quote anyway??
     
  8. T.Walpole

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    So there's a problem with intelligence services surveilling suspected terrorists during a war, but encouraging citizens to inform the government on other citizens for simply exercising their first amendment right to speak out against the administration's domestic agenda... that's AOK.

    The fact that you see nothing wrong with the WH effort to use informants to identify dissenters is what is disturbing.

    If Bush did something like that I wonder what your response would be?
     
  9. JagdtigerI

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    No there isn't....never said there was.....I simply cited it as a similar example and now you are putting words into my mouth

    "Disinformation" is defined as "false information intended to mislead" What is wrong with Obama gathering information about any false arguments being made against his healthcare reform or other aspects of his policies so he can adress them? These people aren't going to be punished.....

    Yes you're right, soon they will have enough information to eliminate all those dirty dissenters and take over the country!...................................... :rolleyes:

    I still wouldn't care, I don't particularly like either of them....and I don't feel the need to bash everything a Republican does....
     
  10. T.Walpole

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    What if it is the government doing the misleading?
     
  11. JagdtigerI

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    I don't know...could be....still the government just wants to see the other sides of the arguments. I am not a conspiracy theorist
     
  12. Miguel B.

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    Shouldn't this conversation be on the "What if" part of the forum?
     
  13. JagdtigerI

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    The way T. Walpole seems to be arguing....yea...
     
  14. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    Again im being nosey foreigner here.. But have the democrats recinded the wire tapping? The patriot act? The other items republicans introduced? I seriously dont know.. Not my country.. But would be interested to know if politicians are the same the world over? I reckon youve got yourselves a tony blair there.. Good luck with that.. Its about 250 thousand dollars for each dead brit soldier that he has earned on the states dinner speaking circuit.. Nice.
     
  15. JagdtigerI

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    No in fact they haven't

    "President Obama is adamant about maintaining the secrecy of a wiretapping program authorized by George W. Bush, an administration lawyer told a federal judge in San Francisco on Wednesday."

    Obama goes to bat for Bush wiretap program

    and

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/168502/obama_administration_defends_bush_wiretapping.html

    More on wiretapping:

    On wiretapping, Bush isn't listening to the Constitution - The Boston Globe
     
  16. urqh

    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    Thanks.. Restores my faith in all politicians.. Same the world over.
     
  17. T.Walpole

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    Hahaha. I think the better topic for the What If forum would be the White House position that they can nationalize health care and insure everyone for everything and save money while not raising taxes or rationing care. Anyone with any common sense knows that is a bunch of nonsense.
     
  18. Miguel B.

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    Actually, not quite. How come the VA's health plan comes out oat an average of 2,000 USD per capita while private insurances come out 5K??

    Also, how come your countries main cause for bankruptcy is health? Something is terribly wrong with the current management of your healthcare I say.
     
  19. Stefan

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    Such paranoia! Come on, seems fair to say 'look, we can't keep track of all the rumours and nonsense spread over the internet in order to point out errors and false claims. If you get any please send them to us and we will publish our side of the story.'

    They are hardly rounding folks up in the street and executing them!
     
  20. urqh

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    All big companies usually have a marketing junior doing same thing.
     

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