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Favortie Tank of WWII?

Discussion in 'Armor and Armored Fighting Vehicles' started by mp38, Oct 28, 2002.

  1. Paul_9686

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    THAT dinosaur? Good grief, it belongs in the Mesozoic, Alpha!

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  2. Friedrich

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    No tank is impossible to kill, very hard would be the adequate phrase.
     
  3. Paul_9686

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    How true, Friedrich. "Impregnable", "unsinkable", and "invulnerable" are all myths. "Difficult" is not.

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  4. T. A. Gardner

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    In what sense? As an overweight semi-mobile pillbox (I think the British Tortise (sp) and US T-28 super heavy tanks out do it in this respect)? As the heaviest armed? The US T 29, 34 and, several related heavy tank projects (several of each were produced for trials) out do it. One of this series had a 155mm gun on it. Several had very high velocity 120mm guns with better performance than the JadgTiger's 128. So, that can't be it.
    Armor? Same thing. There were numerous project tanks in the late 40's and 50's that beat it in this respect.
    Anyway, of the 70 or so actually produced most saw little, if any combat prior to the end of the war. The thing the two Jadgtiger units (S. PzJr Abts 512 and 653)did most was retreat. Aside from that it was sort of silly that both units fought exclusively in the West.
     
  5. 5-0-duce

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    ahaha alpha that thing was out dated very quickly [​IMG] , usually tanks gave up turrets to have low silloetts... the jagdtiger... it was a MONSTER!, with no turret... poor thing [​IMG]
     
  6. Friedrich

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    Not to mention that the Jagdtiger, as a tank-killer needed spped and manœuvrability before anything else, but weighing 75 tons... :rolleyes: The suspension and transmission broke out too easily because they couldn't manage the weight. And suspenssion and transmission are used twice times more than in tanks with turrets, so... :rolleyes:
     
  7. T. A. Gardner

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    On the transmission problem: In a Jagdtiger to remove the transmission for repair one had to remove the roof of the gun compartment, remove the main gun (a 7 ton load alone), remove the roof of the driver's compartment and then, remove the transmission. It typically took about a week to accomplish if a suitable crane was available.
     
  8. Alpha_Cluster

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    But it had special infered equipoment that wasn't surpased till the 60s!
     
  9. Friedrich

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    No, Alpha! An Italian tank was better than that huge piece of crap called Jagdtiger. It simply wasn't a combat vehicle because it spent almost all the time in the reparation shops!

    T.A. accurately mentioned that for its transmission to be repaired it was needed a week, almost to re-build it. And its transmission broke after the first three kilometres or three minutes of manœuvring... :rolleyes:
     
  10. Colin

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    I like the sherman. Although it wasn't heavily armored and did not have the fire power of the tigers, I still love it.
     
  11. 5-0-duce

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    that jagd tiger didnt have infared the panters did, they were used in Battle of the Bulge i believe, and most german tanks had tranny problems, the Panthers because the germans didnt rebuild them when the added extra armor, the king tigers tranny wasn't built for it, as long as it was small it ran for a while [​IMG]
     
  12. Paul_9686

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    Duce, we thrashed out the question of IR-equipped Panthers at Feldgrau.net, and the final word there is, that IR-equipped Panthers never were used against the Western Allies, while they were used to a limited extent against the Soviets. The fact is, IR technology was in its infancy in WWII.

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  13. T. A. Gardner

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    You might also note that the equipment on the Panther itself was only good for about 500 yards range. With a Uhu halftrack mounted infra-red searchlight this extended to about 1500 yards.
    Aside from that, by the early 1950's US and other Western Allied tanks began to be equipped with infra-red spotlights and sighting equipment. In fact, a number of M-46 tanks in Korea were fitted with an 18" Crouse-Hinds infra-red searchlight (along with others mounting a similar visible light model) for night fighting.
     
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    Speaking of tigers, wasn't there a tank called the king tiger tank that was more heavily armed and armored than the average tiger?
     
  16. Friedrich

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    Yes, there was. PzKpfw VI Tiger II or 'Königstiger' (literally the King's Tiger) but mostly known as 'King Tiger', a 70-ton monster with 15 cm of slopped armour and the best anti-tank gun of the war.
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  17. KnightMove

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    Sorry to over-nitpick you, but King Tiger is the accurate translation of Königstiger. The 's' does not necessarily mean a possessive case; in German word compositions, an s is often put in between for better pronounciation, even if it can't even belong to the word in grammar, e.g. amorous play = Liebe-Spiel = Liebesspiel.
     
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    Hmmm, I hate it to over-over-nitpick myself, but the correct translation is actually Royal Tiger. [​IMG]
     
  19. Friedrich

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    This is the perfect example of some one who doesn't have anything better to do! [​IMG] [​IMG] :D :D
     
  20. BratwurstDimSum

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    FT 17 was the baddest daddy of them all

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    :D :D [​IMG]
     

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