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  1. Man

    Man New Member

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    Right, before I start, I am going to admit that I am revising the rules quite a bit. I do this for the following reasons:

    # The old game was stagnating
    # To open new possibilities

    So for Game 15, the new rule will be as following...

    # You have to pick an initial chassis from a given nation, but can exchange subcomponents for all other subcomponents used in world war 2, all nations included. Your Sherman can have a a 75 mm L/70, and the Panther a 17 pdr, etc. etc. As long as you keep the initial chassis. Tracks, gun, chassis, engine - all this can be changed.

    I hope this will make for more diverse game with more possibilities, and I hope this sits well with the members! If not, I will withdraw it. The tank design here is for a story I am writing, in which the nation of Thiessalithica has an edge in hardware. This is for inspiration, and perhaps some plagiarization.. :grin:

    Game 15 - 1945 late (all WW2 subcomponents included)

    The Thiessalithican nation requires a advanced heavy tank, for the Germanist that lives in all of us. There is no max limit on anything, including weight, but it should be around 75 tons. No holds barred people! Good luck. let us try to be ready for august 1st :)
     
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    When you say that
    - are we allowd to lengthen it at all?
    I'm just thinking that if, say, Sherman was chosen then getting the weight up to 75 tons would involve adding a LOT of extra armour - and then the suspension would need altering to maintain ground pressure... and the easiest way to keep that low is add another suspension unit (or two!) each side.
     
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    Is this a free-for-all or are we choosing teams? I like to work alone, but to 'win' (well you know) I probably need someone to tell me when my ideas are over the top (patiance required. lol)
     
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    Personally I think limiting the entries to what nations could use (French stuff for French tanks etc) makes for a far better game. Otherwise every tank will have the L/71 88mm...

    However, we'll just go for it on this game! :wink:
     
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    Ricky, there are other guns, such as the 100 mm D-10, the 128 mm L/55 (used on the Jagdtiger) that are also quite interesting... We'll see what happens, anyway.
     
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    In answer to Oli, I thought the idea was that the chassis had to be chosen and stuck to, which does not mean you can't alter it, just that it represents a "nation" so to speak. No two people can use the Sherman chassis, but you can use the Sherman and another the Pershing, for example.

    Ricky, do you want to team up or go for it alone?
     
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    Im in. Im gonna use the king tiger chasis
     
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    Team up - I need an artist! :grin:

    Shall we be Russia?
     
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    I'll be UK again - I wonder if the 55-pounder would be worth putting into a tank... :grin:
     
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    I gotta drop out I'm not ginna have any time to finish. I have sun\mmer schoo, and won't be able to work on it for at least a week.. and then some once I gert my notes back (left 'em in Napanee)
     
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    Don't drop out, we'll wait... It would be a shame not to see your entry at the first game you participate in. I'll need a lot of time myself, just to do the artwork for our entry.
     
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    Okay. I'll do what i can but I doubt it'll be much. (although If I'd had all this time it still wouldn't be much....meh)

    Since everyones declaring what they're using (and considering what I think was my first choice is now taken- king tiger) I'm going with the regular Tiger (the first ones, lighter and not as good as king Tiger...I think). And just so you know...I can't draw worth beans so it will likely not look like what it's supposed to be.
     
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    Just check out some of the previous games for examples of how the artwork was done before. Definitely not everyone here just picked up a pencil like old-fashioned me...
     
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    Siberian Black, you can ask me for help in how to use MSPaint (very simple program, but hey) to manipulate black and white diagrams of tanks. With a little practice, you can make some good stuff.

    For example, here is a modified T-35:

    [​IMG]

    And a mineroller that I made:

    [​IMG]
     
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    I just noticed - your mineroller would knock its own gun off! :grin:
     
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    I know how to use paint (only paint lol) I just can't draw well. I did it up yesterda after noon and I'll try and get it this afternoon when I get home.
     
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    Wow.... the person worrying about time contraints is the first to submit...Murphy's law?

    http://www.freewebs.com/blue62/pics.htm

    It's the one titled "A tank...not from the story. i have yet to figure out how to post actual pics here.
     
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    Quite simple:

    http://www.freewebs.com/blue62/Game%2015%20Entry.bmp

    There it is! [Edit: for some reason the pic refuses to be hyperlinked, so here's a direct link. Siberian, get a free uploading account with Photobucket or Imageshack or some other website if you want your pics to show on here]

    How about a little data, Siberian, what parts did you use? :D
     
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    Thanks Roel.

    The Basic tank is a tiger chassis, with an 88 mounted on a turret. Swing is 90 degrees either way and the armour has beed reduced by 3cm overall.

    The artillary version has the original armour and a 70mm mounted in a fixed turret.

    Both have upgraded engines, (add 200hp)
     
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    Team Russia (Ricky and Roel)

    JS-3R model 1945 Heavy Tank


    The USSR has had much experience in both designing / producing heavy tanks and in destroying them, thanks to the long battle for the Rodina against the evil forces of Fascism. Indeed, we possessed the world’s finest heavy tank in 1941, the KV-1, and this tank and it’s successors served us well in our struggle against the Fascists. We also produced a number of superb heavy tank destroyers, the ISU-122 and ISU-152, but these are unsuitable for the role stipulated by our Thiessalithican Comrades.

    Our German enemies produced two significant heavy tank designs, the Tiger I and Tiger II, and our glorious responses to these Teutonic beasts were the IS-2 and IS-3, respectively. The first prototypes of the IS-3, a far superior machine to the IS-2, were completed in November 1944, and the first units are just now reaching our combat units on the outskirts of the Fascist capital, where doubtless they will grind our foe into the bloodstained ground of his evil country.

    However, just because our tank is superb does not mean that it is perfect. We listen to the advice from our socialist brothers in the front line, and we are in a position to offer an upgraded version of the IS-3, the IS-3R (our beloved General Secretary, who has done so much to ensure the expulsion from our beloved Rodina of the evil Fascist forces, has honoured the design team by allowing their initials to appear in the tank’s designation along with his own).

    The starting point was the gun. While the 122mm D-25 gun is a very good all-round gun, it was felt that a gun with a higher rate of fire but broadly equal penetration ability would be better. Fortunately, the 100mm D-10S is exactly such a gun. Using this smaller-calibre weapon has allowed us to dispense with the two-part ammunition, thereby increasing the possible rate of fire, and to store more ammunition, both concerns of our troops. In addition, its 100mm calibre still allows for an effective HE round to be used.

    However, ammunition storage was only increased to 45 rounds, and our goal was 100. To increase ammunition storage still further we widened the hull of the IS-3R by 30cm. After some slight re-arranging of the tank’s interior, we managed to fit 87 rounds of ammunition for the main gun, which was deemed satisfactory.

    Part of the re-arranging of the interior included making some alterations to the crew stations for the sake of comfort and ease of use, including some well-padded seats. Our front-line troops are able to function perfectly well without such alterations, thanks to their dedication to the Socialist cause, but they suggested that the residents of Thiessalithica might appreciate such things.

    Our next change was to increase the hull armour. Comparisons with captured examples of the German Tiger II showed that the IS-3 had thinner armour, although it was very well shaped. We kept the excellent profile and simply increased the armour thickness on the glacis to 150mm and that of the sides of the vehicle’s hull to 100mm. The thickness of armour elsewhere on the tank was deemed acceptable.

    After all these alterations, we tested the improved vehicle thoroughly. It was found to have an inadequate power-to-weight ratio, and so a new engine was required. Regrettably, more powerful engines were not yet available within the USSR, and so we resorted to the next best thing – we stole a design from our defeated enemy, the Maybach HL230P30 of 700hp. The extra 100hp meant that the IS-3R, despite the extra weight gained in the changes, including a heavier engine, had a better power:weight ratio than the original IS-3, resulting in a higher speed and better mobility. It also results in a higher fuel consumption, which is offset by an increase in internal fuel capacity thanks to the widening of the hull.

    [​IMG]

    GENERAL DATA
    Formal Designation: IS-3 Model 1945
    Type: Heavy Tank
    Crew: 4
    Overall Length: 10.5 m
    Barrel Overhang: 3.8 m
    Width: 3.50 m (11' 0")
    Height: 2.45 m (8' 0")
    Combat Weight: 51500 kg (113500 lbs)
    Radio Equipment: 10RK

    FIREPOWER
    Primary Armament: 100mm Gun D-10S
    Ammunition Carried: 87
    Traverse (degrees): 360°
    Elevation (degrees): -3° to +20°
    Sight: TSh-19
    Secondary Armament: 2 x 7.62mm DT MG (coaxial, turret rear), 1 x 12.7mm DShK MG (AA)
    Ammunition Carried: 1000x7.62mm, 945x12.7mm

    MOBILITY CHARACTERISTICS
    Engine Make & Model: Maybach HL230P30
    Type & Displacement: V12, 23.9 liters
    Track Width: 65 cm (26")
    Horsepower (max.): 700hp@3000rpm
    Track Ground Contact: 436 cm (172")
    Power/Weight Ratio: 13.6 hp/tonne
    Ground Pressure: 0.92 kg/cm2
    Gearbox: 4 forward, 1 reverse
    Ground Clearance: 0.45 m (1' 6")
    Fuel: Petrol
    Turning Radius: 0
    Range on/off road: 150(225)/120(175) km (distances between brackets include external fuel bins)
    Gradient: 36°
    Mileage on/off road: 350/450 l/100km
    Vertical Obstacle: 1.0 m (3' 3")
    Fuel Capacity: 570 (+ 270 external) l
    Fording: 1.3 m (4' 3")
    Speed on/off road: 45/25 km/h
    Trench Crossing: 2.5 m (8' 2")

    ARMOR PROTECTION
    Hull front 120mm@47°, side 100mm@90°, rear 60mm@49°, bottom 20mm@0°
    Superstructure front 120mm@18°, glacis 150mm@32°, side 100mm@30° +30mm@60°, rear 60mm@42°, top 20mm@0°
    Turret front 160mm@round, side 100-220mm@40°, rear 110-220mm@50°, top 20mm@0-6°
    Mantlet 200mm@round

    Table & some figures taken from www.onwar.com

    Performance figures for 100mm D-10S gun:

    BR-412 AP
    0 degrees: 155mm/100m, 135mm/500m, 115mm/1000m, 100mm/1500m, 75mm/2000m
    30 degrees: 125mm/100m, 110mm/500m, 95mm/1000m, 80mm/1500m, 60mm/2000m

    BR-412D APBC
    0 degrees: 200mm/100m, 185mm/500m, 170mm/1000m, 155mm/1500m, 125mm/2000m
    30 degrees: 150mm/100m, 140mm/500m, 130mm/1000m, 120mm/1500m, 100mm/2000m
     

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