Here is an interesting tidbit of information--or so I had thought. Knights Cross Casualty statistics but only for those who were Grenadiers. This does not represent a total accuracy in the figures for all 7,313+++RKTs--these are just those of the Grenadiers. Of those who were Grenadiers, there were an approximate total (all ranks) of 1,388 Grenadier RKTs. 328 of these were killed in combat and or died of wounds. This is what? appx 1 in 4. 159 excluding Stalingrad deaths, all occurred in Russia. 7 RKTs were killed at Stalingrad. 153 RKTs died on other fronts including Eastern Front but not in Russia. This encludes at any point in the war and any area--except for Russia. Encludes: Italy, France, Germany, Courland, Rumania etc. 17 more Grenadier RKTs, were listed as Missing in Action with 2 of those being MiA at Stalingrad. These figures do not include men of any other branch or servise or Military branch of service. These are Heer Grenadiers only. An exception was made for maybe 3 Waffen SS Grenadier RKTs. They are encluded in the grand total here. [ 30. July 2003, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: C.Evans ]
More statisitcs on Grenadier RKT only. 1 KiA on the Western Front. 16 KiA in Italy. 4KiA in France. 3KiA in Poland. 39KiA in Germany/East Prussia. 16KiA In Latvia and other eastern Countries. 62 KiA not known whether they were E or W Front.
Thanks for the nice compliments. Nope--only some of this is from the new book--the rest is all my own research--no other sources either. Also--as I finish certain sections--I will include those stats here as well. I'm a long way from that though. Soonest I might be able to have another addition to these is MAYBE 2-3 weeks at best--but only maybe. [ 30. July 2003, 06:42 PM: Message edited by: C.Evans ]
Quite welcome and I started on the Jagers last night. I should be done with the Jagers in a day or so and can get their stats up quickly enough. After that--i'll be working on Gebirgejagers. Oh and for those who think (as I do) that the RKT site is real good--I must shoot it down a few notches. His site is chok full of mistakes--especially when it comes to Jagers as I discovered lastnight. I discount some spelling errors as real mistakes but--he has also left out a few individuals that I accidently stumbled accross by pure chance when I was checking some info on a Jager. The mistake I happened upon (more like got very lucky to notice) was that several Grenadiers and Jagers were left off his lists. I imagine the same will be with any other catagories. Im DEFINATELY not bashing his site as I have also been able to get many-a-good information from it in the past but, I can clearly see that the vast majority of that info IS copied from an older addition to Fellgiebels book. I do say that Fellgiebels book has been a god-send for me--as it helped me correct about 40 misspelled names so far.
Jager RKT Statistics. There are appx 163 Jager RKTs. 31 of them were killed in action or died of wounds in a hospital or died in a Russian POW Camp.. Of those Jager RKTs killed: 15 were KiA in Russia. 3 were KiA in Germany/Pommerania/East Prussia etc. 2 were killed somewhere on the Eastern Front. 2 were KiA in Hungary. 1 was KiA in Courland. 1 was KiA in Holland. 1 was KiA in Slovakia. 6 were KiA but wherabouts are unknown.
Thank you my friend--and i'm now working on Panzerjager instead of gebirgsjager and are about half-finished with them as I type this. By Monday--I should be finished with them. [ 02. August 2003, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: C.Evans ]
Very interesting, Carl. Just a doubt in here: what happened to all the others Stalingrad RKTs? By the way: I could manage to get Beevors "Stalingrad"!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi "F" not sure completely what you mean but. Many Stalingrad RKTs were killed or captured a few had been wounded and were lucky to get flown out of Stalingrad. By all means--the few i've listed aren't all the RKTs that were there. I'll slowly get a complete listing built up in these stats as we go along in posting them. Currently--I am just lastnight--finished with the Panzerjager RKTs and will now have to work on their stats tonight if I can't this afternoon. After I do those--I think i'll do Artillery or Gebirgsjager--have'nt decided yet.
Just to add the German men killed during the war. The approximate total of MILITARY casualties: 1939 - 1940 102.033 1941 356.528 1942 566.947 1943 789.752 1944 1.756.256 1945 1.287.540 Total 4.859.056
Oops. Also because I forgot to bring my newest completed stats with me--i'll try n remeber to do so tomorrow.
Any ideas how many Germans died in the camps ( especially Russia ) after the war? Has anyone ever made any calculations?
Well--from the ones I have done and posted above. There were at least 6 RKTs out of whats listed that died in Russian POW camps and one who died in a French POW camp and one more weho died in a British POW camp. This next installment i'm working on has one RKT who died in an auto accident while at an American POW camp in Arkansas. This man was a DAK General as a matter of fact.
Panzergrenadier RKT statistics. There were appx 481 Panzergrenadier RKTs. Of these, appx 123 were Killed in Action. 2 K.i.A. in Belgium. 12 in France. 3 in Poland. 15 Germany/E7W Prussia etc. 1 in England. 4 in an unknown area on the Western Front. 1 in Greece. 1 in an unknown area on the Eastern Front. 1 in Lithuania. 43 in Russia including 2 at Stalingrad. 6 in Hungary. 2 in the Courland Pocket. 2 in Czecholslovakia. 1 in Rumania. 5 in Italy. 1 in Serbia. 26 K.i.A. locations are unknown. [ 09. August 2003, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: C.Evans ]
Very interesting Carl, I guess many of those unknown locations is somewhere on the eastern front. Best regards/ Daniel
Thanks "D" and I bet your correct on many of the unknowns being East Front. I'll be working on more stats over the weekend and will see if I can get the Panzer etc finished.
RKT Pioneer Statistics. There were approximately 197 Pioneer RKTs. Appx 51 were Killed in Action. 1 at El Alamein, N.Africa. 1 on the Odor River. 6 in France. 1 in Sicily. 1 in Italy. 1 in Rumania. 6 in Germany/E.&.W. Prussia. 1 in the Courland Pocket. 16 in Russia. 2 elsewhere on the Eastern Front. 15 unknown where killed.
Statistics for Heer (the Army ground forces of the Wehrmacht) only: Heer losses by year of war (1st year = IX 1939 to VIII 1940, 2nd year = IX 1940 to VIII 1941, etc.): Blue = killed in accidents, of sickness, executed and suicides Red = killed by enemy action Yellow = missing Green = missing and confirmed / known to be POW Yellow and Green must be added (Green is not included in Yellow). Heer monthly losses during the same period (IX 1939 - XI 1944): Red = killed Blue = missing (including those confirmed as being in captivity) Numerical data from both of above posted diagrams can be found below (see the table in Attached Thumbnails). Numbers come from the German wartime document "Gesamtverluste der Wehrmacht 1.9.39 - 30.11.44" issued in late 1944. I only quoted numbers referring to casualties of Heer (the Army, ground forces). I didn't quote numbers for Luftwaffe & Kriegsmarine. This report focuses only on mortal losses, missing and discharged from service. There is no info about wounded, sick, etc. I didn't quote numbers of discharged from service in individual years. As you can see there are slight differences - especially in case of killed - between the sums from each 12 months long period (from the monthly data) and numbers for each year (from the data on losses during each year of war). But they are not so big. Some numbers were hardly readable also.