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German mess tins maker codes wanted

Discussion in 'Uniforms, Personal Gear (Kit) and Accessories' started by Skipper, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

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    okay guys time to check out your German mess tins (M-1931 ones). I have a bunch of makers codes found on the internet and complete dwith my own ones, but any others would be welcome to have a complete data base for all. Here is what I have so far.

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    mess tin makers

    AEMA
    AW
    AWF
    CFL
    EEF
    ESB
    FWRN
    GNL
    HRE
    HWSD
    KOL
    L&SL
    MKK
    MKL
    MN
    OHW
    OLHM
    RFI

    SEL
    SMM
    VAL
    VDNS
    WAL
    WJ
    ZPStZ
    RBNr 0/0570/0138
    RBNr 0/0571/0116
    RBNr 0/0857/0001




    Bottle makers who also made mess tins:

    AWG
    C&CW
    CNCW
    DMN
    G&CL (G&OL ?)
    HJB
    JSD
    KCL
    L&SL
    RKW
    SKN
    SR
    SSL
    VDNS
    WBN
    WN
    WWE
    WWL


    markings should be on the lid clasp and on the rivetted or welded side handle bars.
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    early tins are rivetted, after 1943 they are usually not. Most wwii tins are aluminium In 1944 some iron tins were covered with enamel. In 1945 some claps were replaced by leahter straps.

    Each line on the tin is a meal so 1.5 liter = 3 meals.

    Something else: when was the last M-1910 model made ? I have a "SEL 1940" marking which shows they were still made and used during WWII

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    I found most of my codes here and there are plenty of excellent pictures.
    Résultats Google Recherche d'images correspondant à http://militaria.wwii.free.fr/doc/-equip%20all/-gamelles/rw.jpg
     
  2. Erich

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    just a thought but maybe some of the militaria in the appropriate forum can have stickies made up for codes/markings ? ....... albeit seperate section
     
  3. Skipper

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    nice idea Erich , a seperate section for codes and markings would indeed be a good idea. I'll talk it over with Jeff.


    Another maker to be added : KGM Neunkirchen Saarland, they made M-1931 mess tins during the French occupation in Saarland ( I suppose until 1935) . I have one of these rather rare tins which has a German shape but a French lid clasp and aluminium handlebar instead of iron. The maker brand is on the bottom instead of on the sides or clasps.
     
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    Skip was just thinking about this after having conversation in the K-98 thread. there are so many codes/markings obviously of many different items but this will help those that are trying to determine differences in originality and fakes
     
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    I hope the rogues will add any other ones they find in their collcetion. My intention is to have a similar thread for bottles in the future too. I hope people will be interested
     
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    Quite a coincidence as just five minutes ago I was looking up bayonet-makers codes.....:)
     
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    Thanks for the clarification on the three indentations on the side of the mess tin, Skipper. I would never have guessed what they were for.

    My mess tin is marked and dated HRE44 (C.W. Motz u. Co., Brandenburg an der Havel)
     
  8. Skipper

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    Cheers John, it's most interesting to compare the lid and the tin and see if both markings are from the same makers. I realized most are different ones , so I started buying even seperate items so I can do some matching in the future. I new found anything before 1937 (with the exception of the Saarland one) and after 1944, so I figure having early ones and 1945 would be the rarest.
     
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    Not a collector, but Some from that 'Deutsche Soldaten' book to add to the mix:
    EMK 41
    CFL 41
    0/0571/0116 44

    And one that's possibly 'YME' 40, but it's very unclear.

    ~A
     
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    Thanks Adam I'll add these to the list. Has anyone 1945 ones?
     
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    yes there are several on the internet , but does any of the rogues actually have one?
     
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    gotcha skipper,ray..
     

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