Discussion in 'Small Arms and Edged Weapons' started by 272VGD., Jan 19, 2008.
Very nice German Sniper photos on the Easternfront.
Feel free to add some nice ones yourself.
Fantastic stuff there, mostly posed but all the same, looks really good. Probably been posted before but take a look at this
YouTube - German Sniper Training 1944 (ca.1944) 1 of 7
Very interessting movie!
Some very nice stuff here! Thanks for posting. I enjoy looking at the details of the rifles.
It would be interesting to know more about the pic of the two SS officers in the trench, not least because that sight was issued to designated platoon sharp shooters rather than to snipers. Probably just an officer enjoying a perk of the job I guess.
they are out for a joy ride shooting at birds, note they are wearing tunics and not service uni. also of note the Gebirge units were the top Wehrmacht marksman..........not really surprising though
thanks for the pics several of them are in Senichs rather large tome
Whats the story with that, Stefan? Is it because the sight is small?
the sight produced enmasse was of very low power settings compared to the larger hunting styles used in the other photos. A friend serving in the 1st Infantrie Div, Regiment 43 said they had them and he and others of his small unit as a waffenmeister felt they were not much better than open sights, even with open sights it appears from what he said they had some pretty fantastic shots
back to the scope, look how far away it is mounted, forward of the receiver and not close enough to the shooters eye
I see what you mean, Erich. It looks like a 'long-eye relief scope'. I have one on my "pistol."
The shooter's end on that scope is so small,too.
Framer, from what I remember Erich is bang on, a mass produced sight usually issued to 'marksmen' within infantry sections, not much better than open sights but once you got used to it I'd imagine it did the job. I'd imagine that part of the logic behind the small size is that as using a telescopic sight takes longer than open sights, with something that small snap shooting would be easier, if that makes sense.
EDIT: Just dug up some stuff and the scope is the ZF41, what I had forgotten was that it comes with a bakalite box which I have seen fixed to the belts of soldiers thus enabling them to take it on and off as necessary (think how that would influence your zeroing).
think also Stefan although the ZF 41 was small that meant small parts to clean, this little scope was a pain in the winter months with all the mud and grime, though as you well pointed out had it's own special carrying case, the larger long range scopes had a special softbound canvas carrier quite effective and easy enough to remove and replace scope when needed.
True but on the other hand I doubt soldiers were expected to strip it to clean it, simply give it a wipe over as most of us do on our weapons today. Also worth remembering that a bakalite case would offer protection that a soft canvas carrier would not thus making it rather more appropriate for the 'rough and tumble' of an infanteers life rather than the more subtle life of a sniper. That said, I see your point and agree. Interesting piece of kit anyhow.
canvas or at least the description via a German friend for the heavier and larger scopes was much more stealth in design and quite compared with the bakelite "boxes". You are correct as Bakelite would be weatherproof but so was the canvas cover as it had a special coating over it, some of them even applied some sort of warmer layer inside to keep the range finding parts and lens appartus from freezing over especially for high mtn hunting
Brilliant fotos, Nice Hensoldt and Zeiss 6Xs, SS and Gebirgsjägers, that Zf41 seems woefully inadequate, although nice to have in your collection
Sorry Erich, I meant more 'bash resistant' or 'squaddie proof' as we say. Then again, your section marksman is less concerned with stealth than his sniper brother, particularly considering that a German soldier running sounds like a piano wrapped in tin foil falling down a staircase
What StmmZaum says is partly correct - when you properly adjust your field gear you won't make any noise, except when walking on rock/concrete because of the hobnails in the soles. German gear is quite effective you just have to get some experience in using it.
YouTube - WW2 German Sniper Tribute (Deutscher ScharfschÃ¼tzetribut)
good pics here
Where is that valley in 5th picture? Its incredibly epic!
Cracking film that, it's on the DVD below, along with an earlier training film ('42 I vaguely recall). The earlier film is a bit better and more rounded in it's approach, while the later one does actually contradict the earlier one in some areas. Seems a bit pricey on the Amazon site I picked mine up at the "War & Peace" show for a tenner...
Amazon.com: German Sniper: The Invisible Enemy: Luftwaffe High Command: Movies & TV
Snipers are awsome! Especially the germans.