Welcome to the WWII Forums! Log in or Sign up to interact with the community.

German Sniper photos.

Discussion in 'Small Arms and Edged Weapons' started by 272VGD., Jan 19, 2008.

  1. 272VGD.

    272VGD. Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2007
    Messages:
    618
    Likes Received:
    90
    Very nice German Sniper photos on the Easternfront.
    Feel free to add some nice ones yourself.

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
    Herr Oberst likes this.
  2. Stefan

    Stefan Cavalry Rupert

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2001
    Messages:
    5,368
    Likes Received:
    333
  3. 272VGD.

    272VGD. Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2007
    Messages:
    618
    Likes Received:
    90
    Very interessting movie!
     
  4. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    24,985
    Likes Received:
    2,380
    Some very nice stuff here! Thanks for posting. I enjoy looking at the details of the rifles.
     
  5. Stefan

    Stefan Cavalry Rupert

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2001
    Messages:
    5,368
    Likes Received:
    333
    It would be interesting to know more about the pic of the two SS officers in the trench, not least because that sight was issued to designated platoon sharp shooters rather than to snipers. Probably just an officer enjoying a perk of the job I guess.
     
  6. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    they are out for a joy ride shooting at birds, note they are wearing tunics and not service uni. also of note the Gebirge units were the top Wehrmacht marksman..........not really surprising though

    thanks for the pics several of them are in Senichs rather large tome
     
  7. FramerT

    FramerT Ace

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2003
    Messages:
    1,570
    Likes Received:
    37

    Whats the story with that, Stefan? Is it because the sight is small?
     
  8. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    the sight produced enmasse was of very low power settings compared to the larger hunting styles used in the other photos. A friend serving in the 1st Infantrie Div, Regiment 43 said they had them and he and others of his small unit as a waffenmeister felt they were not much better than open sights, even with open sights it appears from what he said they had some pretty fantastic shots

    back to the scope, look how far away it is mounted, forward of the receiver and not close enough to the shooters eye
     
  9. FramerT

    FramerT Ace

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2003
    Messages:
    1,570
    Likes Received:
    37
  10. Stefan

    Stefan Cavalry Rupert

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2001
    Messages:
    5,368
    Likes Received:
    333
    Framer, from what I remember Erich is bang on, a mass produced sight usually issued to 'marksmen' within infantry sections, not much better than open sights but once you got used to it I'd imagine it did the job. I'd imagine that part of the logic behind the small size is that as using a telescopic sight takes longer than open sights, with something that small snap shooting would be easier, if that makes sense.

    EDIT: Just dug up some stuff and the scope is the ZF41, what I had forgotten was that it comes with a bakalite box which I have seen fixed to the belts of soldiers thus enabling them to take it on and off as necessary (think how that would influence your zeroing).
     
  11. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    think also Stefan although the ZF 41 was small that meant small parts to clean, this little scope was a pain in the winter months with all the mud and grime, though as you well pointed out had it's own special carrying case, the larger long range scopes had a special softbound canvas carrier quite effective and easy enough to remove and replace scope when needed.
     
  12. Stefan

    Stefan Cavalry Rupert

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2001
    Messages:
    5,368
    Likes Received:
    333
    True but on the other hand I doubt soldiers were expected to strip it to clean it, simply give it a wipe over as most of us do on our weapons today. Also worth remembering that a bakalite case would offer protection that a soft canvas carrier would not thus making it rather more appropriate for the 'rough and tumble' of an infanteers life rather than the more subtle life of a sniper. That said, I see your point and agree. Interesting piece of kit anyhow.
     
  13. Erich

    Erich Alte Hase

    Joined:
    May 13, 2001
    Messages:
    14,439
    Likes Received:
    617
    canvas or at least the description via a German friend for the heavier and larger scopes was much more stealth in design and quite compared with the bakelite "boxes". You are correct as Bakelite would be weatherproof but so was the canvas cover as it had a special coating over it, some of them even applied some sort of warmer layer inside to keep the range finding parts and lens appartus from freezing over especially for high mtn hunting
     
  14. Herr Oberst

    Herr Oberst Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2007
    Messages:
    782
    Likes Received:
    70
    Brilliant fotos, Nice Hensoldt and Zeiss 6Xs, SS and Gebirgsjägers, that Zf41 seems woefully inadequate, although nice to have in your collection;)
     
  15. Stefan

    Stefan Cavalry Rupert

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2001
    Messages:
    5,368
    Likes Received:
    333
    Sorry Erich, I meant more 'bash resistant' or 'squaddie proof' as we say. Then again, your section marksman is less concerned with stealth than his sniper brother, particularly considering that a German soldier running sounds like a piano wrapped in tin foil falling down a staircase ;)
     
  16. Sheikh Al Stranghi

    Sheikh Al Stranghi Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2008
    Messages:
    12
    Likes Received:
    0
    What StmmZaum says is partly correct - when you properly adjust your field gear you won't make any noise, except when walking on rock/concrete because of the hobnails in the soles. German gear is quite effective you just have to get some experience in using it.
     
  17. Tomcat

    Tomcat The One From Down Under

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2008
    Messages:
    4,048
    Likes Received:
    266
  18. Ceraphix

    Ceraphix Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2008
    Messages:
    216
    Likes Received:
    14
    Where is that valley in 5th picture? Its incredibly epic!
     
  19. WotNoChad?

    WotNoChad? Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2007
    Messages:
    985
    Likes Received:
    134
    Cracking film that, it's on the DVD below, along with an earlier training film ('42 I vaguely recall). The earlier film is a bit better and more rounded in it's approach, while the later one does actually contradict the earlier one in some areas. Seems a bit pricey on the Amazon site I picked mine up at the "War & Peace" show for a tenner...


    [​IMG]

    Amazon.com: German Sniper: The Invisible Enemy: Luftwaffe High Command: Movies & TV
     
  20. tiger29

    tiger29 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    8
    Likes Received:
    0
    Snipers are awsome! Especially the germans.:cool:
     

Share This Page