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Historian Concludes "Likely" Finnish Involvement in Atrocities

Discussion in 'Concentration, Death Camps and Crimes Against Huma' started by KJ Jr, Feb 15, 2019.

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  1. lwd

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    It's certainly possible where do you get your numbers?
    I see no evidence at all that Israelis insist on this. Indeed at least 2 fallacies are inherent in this part of the sentence alone. i.e.
    1) It's not Israelis in general that are insisting on anything what you have is the leader of one organization requesting an investigation and if criminal acts are uncovered the enforcement of the law.
    2) There's no indication that they are insisting that only crimes against Jews be prosecuted. Indeed I believe the organization has on previous occasions taken just the opposite position.
    That's there choice but I don't see the extortion in any case.
    Some believe, and there is some logic to their position, that setting the president that when one commits crimes on the order of those of the Nazis one is never outside the reach of justice. That you see it as a way to "weaponized Israeli lobbyists" seams to be a vision problem on your part. Interesting though that you are willing to forgive murders but have such a crusade against those who seek justice for the victims.
     
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    Well the Nazis are perhaps better categorized as targeting specific targets and peoples. Slavs, Gypsies, homosexuals, and mental patients were also targeted. The various Communist governments also targeted specific targets and in some cases people and are responsible for even more deaths although over a considerably longer time period.
     
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    Granted... The point is Gypsies, homosexuals, and mental patients don't have a country and Slav nations other than the Soviet Union weren't in position post war to seek any retribution, though clearly the Soviets took plenty. In the current political climate there isn't any nation out there that can pursue Germany for any further Nazi related issues, except Israel due to their unique position in relation to a unique crime committed by a unique criminal organization. The interesting period is ahead when there are no more criminals/executioners living and the number of living victims becomes very small. Germany dragged its feet on the Soviet POWs being considered part of the Holocaust issue long enough that the few thousands left alive isn't going to hurt the bank too much. So we don't hear much of anything from the 2nd largest victim group of the Holocaust/Nazi crimes against humanity (3.3-3.5 million Red Army victims). There is quite a bit going on with Wehrmacht MIAs in former Soviet territory with the Volksbund and other NPA's locating around 40,000 men a year with ongoing efforts. Still, even when direct evidence of murder is found Germany is in no position to seek anything from Russia. Israel is in a unique position, so for anyone to try and say it's only because their Jews that they continue this crusade, to my mind that is generally correct but usually people saying it are anti-Semites that ignore the facts.
     
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    Which is clearly indicative of the pervasive mindset: "The Jews control everything, we are constantly told propagandist lies about inflated Holocaust statistics in order for Jews to maintain an entitled victim status, collect reparations from Germany, justify Israel's existence and maintain control of Palestinian territory".

    Thanks to the cyber age there are legions of drones out there with exactly that mindset as their reality. In their growing confidence and growing numbers they aren't smart enough to look to their left and right and see the same growth in pretty much every crackpot conspiracy theory out there, such as flat earthers, Moan hoaxers, 9/11 Truthers, Illuminati believers, anti-vaxxers, weather control believers, etc. Most can't seem to grasp that strength of opinion does not equate to strength of position....
     
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    Isn"t more accurate and fair to say: "Let" s agree that we don"t agre". Otherwise, it looks like yo"re quarreling with me Just because I"m not susceptible to your favorite flavor of propaganda. All this mater is about different choices, views and personal preferencess. Okay.
     
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    Tamino Doc - The Deplorable

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    This is yet another favorite Jewish spell word. Just like Harry Potter they repeat this powerful but nonsense Word. Both Arabs and Jews are Semitic but Jews again have hijacked it, claim exclusive rights on utilizing that word for own advantages and accuse other people even though they themselves pathologically bate Semites - Arabs. They are Masters of Hoax.
     
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    The fact remains that you are the one who came to this thread with an agenda and who is posting propaganda. Most if not all the rest of us have simply called you on it. That you are willing to "forgive" the perpetrators of criminal acts but criticize the victims for complaining is rather telling.
     
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    I guess the Finns as a whole are guilty of the Holocaust, but their Jewish victims whine too much about it and they are masters of hoax?

    What the heck is the point if this thread? What could have been a decent discussion is completely thrown in the trash.

    Thread: closed. Reason: why not?
     
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