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Hitler invades the Soviet Union in 1940

Discussion in 'What If - European Theater - Eastern Front & Balka' started by DerGiLLster, Jul 1, 2016.

  1. RichTO90

    RichTO90 Well-Known Member

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    Do you think? It's the usual desperate ploy of those who don't actually have an argument - keep moving the goalposts.
     
  2. RichTO90

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    Or, gee, army divisions move too, such as the three divisions from Third Army transferred to Second Army. Or the fifteen divisions of the Reserve de GCG committed under a newly formed Tenth Army and Sixth Army (along with divisions transferred from the Armee des Alpes). And the 2d BEF, with eventually four more divisions.

    Except of course the Allies had a "clear numerical inferiority" because that is what is necessary for LJAd's little fantasy to be spun out.
     
  3. steverodgers801

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    The Soviets would not be in such a sorry state in 1940 as they were in 1941. The main reason for the French defeat is the French high command was not prepared for the rate of speed that the Germans worked at. Gamelin was thinking in terms of weeks and months while the Germans thought in days and hours. The French were prepared for an attack at Sedan, it was simply that the French did not believe the Germans could cross the Meuse before the infantry could support it. Guderians insistence that the tanks have engineer support attached allowed the Germans to cross. This meant the French reserves were not in place to meet an attack and were deployed piecemeal
     
  4. LJAd

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    This is assuming that

    these aircraft were operational : a lot were not

    that there were pilots available to fly the aircraft to the front

    that French fighters could fly during 4 hours

    that at Toulouse some one knew where to the aircraft had to fly

    that the needed spare-parts were available in the depots /at the front

    that the front-line units had enough pilots and mechanics for these new aircraft : there were in 1940 no aircraft that could fly without pilot ...


    I am overwhelmed by the serious arguments used in this thread,as the correct spelling of example .

    Thus continue to extol each other, but without me.
     
  5. Takao

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    Could we have that in writing, signed, and notarized?
     
  6. RichTO90

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    Sorry, but now you are falling back on the "a lot were not" operational", without bothering to find out what the facts are. For example, Groupement de Chasse 21 had 152 aircraft on hand of which 98 were operational.

    So a "serious argument" is wishful thinking and lack of research? Like claiming all the infantry armies of HG-A marched around the Ardennes, when a few minutes research would show that was nonsense.

    You need to step back, think about the nonsense and obstructionism that permeates your posts and think about how you need to correct yourself. You aren't stupid, but you are behaving like a fool, and worse, a buffoon.
     
  7. knightdepaix

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    Has someone explored this what-if idea: Poland NOW in 2016 possesses off-shore and underground oil production. What if this offshore and underground oil production were done in 1930s. Would that discovery and exploitation convince H to at least delay the invasion ?
     
  8. Takao

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    Were not all three current Polish on-shore oil fields in what was then German territory? Not that it matters much, considering that two were not discovered until the mid-90s, and the last one in the early 2000s.

    Although the Soviets did get most of the existing Polish oil fields in 1939. The Germans did try and bargain for one, but were turned down. However, to smooth matters over the Soviets upped their oil deliveries.

    The off-shore oil fields were well, pun intended, beyond the technologies of the day.
     

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