Insignias, badges, medals and clasps

Thanks Guys...

 

Anybody any ideas, got these in a job lot of stuff.
SA, Berlin Police or something else, real fake or fantasy?
I just dont know.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.

kindest regards John

 

SA collar tabs of a obersturmfuhrer. The color of the backing I believe is from the reichschule. Definitely not police. Regular polizei had similar collar tabs as the heere. Now the Gestapo did have the same collar tabs as the SA but were always black. SD uniforms were like the Waffen SS but with no SS runes.

Photo of Polizei parade uniform

 

also take a look here: Axis History Factbook: Uniforms

 

it seems to be Berlin

 

I have been trying to find that same collar tab but SA uniforms do not usually have coat of arms on their tabs from what I have seen.

 

I was thinking of a local Berlin police

 

Perhaps part of the Berlin SA but I still do not believe them to be Polizei collar tabs.

 

Hi Pzjgr and skipper. I read somewhere in David LittleJohns SA book, and I think it was with an illustration with a badge on the RHS collar tab for the SA Feldjager, although the badge was a different shape. But the backing material was the same colour. The book is not a full survey of the SA, but a quick reference. On looking at the construction of the insignia side, the actual badge has utelised the same silver thread I have on a Heer officers eagle, with the same sort of backing material that the silver wire is sewen to before the badge is applied to the backing material of the tab. So it leads me to believe its right. Also one thing I have learned is that the whitish backing material is soft and smooth like a genuine SS tab I have, and not like the coarser woolen fake tabs you get. The tabs are also UV Negative.
I also saw on a couple of documentaries, the same colour of tabs on officers in Oranienburg pre death camp time, where it was manned by the SA for political prisoners, although I only saw the rank side clearly.
thanks for the help so far,
I think this needs further investigating.

regards John

 

I'm no expert on determining whether something is authentic but I would have said that it did look proper.

 

Thanks PzJgr, I think so too, the make up, the feel is there.
Just need to find out what it is for.

regards John

 

Hi John I think you are heading in the right direction when you are thinking of an early item, according to the makers labels I am thinking of a 1934-1937 period , so your SA theory would make sense, if I find more elements to confim my thoughts I will add those

 

Thanks skipper. I think your right, we are on the right track.
The illustration in the Simon littlejohn book is stuck in my mind.
regards John

 

Nobody in my family is interested in my collection save for all my Guns. The ONLY time they think this stuff is worth money is if I sell it in order to pay off a bill or something--which I flat out refuse to ever do. Ill sacrifice other things to pay any debts incured-but NEVER my militaria. ;-))

 

Hi Fischer, thats a stunner for sure. Thanks with help making my Thanksgiving better by looking at it ;-))

 

I can't even toss in a two cent opinion here because i've never seen collartabs like these are representing to be. However, I have seen good pics of Berlin Police uniforms and such in wear, and their rank insignia were not different than that of those from Hamburg, Laboe, yadda yadda yadda.The only thing I could see being different would be the color of the Police Eagle patch-and possibly a "Berlin" police Cufftitle of sorts or a patch on the other arm announcing which City the policeman was from. I've never seeen any police uniforms or insignia, with LW style collartabs-usually only ones similarly matching Army or some other Org.

Again, im also no Police uniform expert but I have seen tons of police insgnia over the years and nothing came close to LW style collartabs. The only thing that was not LW or SA-that I saw (and once owned) that were collartabs-were Two mint pairs of Army Forestry Collartabs I had untill about 2 years ago.

My opinions are only based on what I have seen and or have owned in the past.

 

Nice score, where did you get it?

 

Are you talking about a SA High Leader's Dagger? Maybe an NSKK Chained perhaps? There was no such thing as a SA Chained dagger...

Rich

 

Thanks for all the comments guys..

It was a private party purchase Tomcat...

Best Regards, fischer

 

great EK john, perfect condition