Iron Cross 2nd Class Makers markings.

Here is a list of 1939 Iron Cross 2nd Class makers markings.

Makers markings are located on the ribbon ring that is a large ring through a smaller ring--in which through the larger ring--the ribbon for the Iron Cross is put through.

MAKERS MARKINGS #'s and NAME of manufacturer. Location

19. E. Fred Wiedmann, Frankfurt am Main
20. C.F.Zimmermann,Pforzheim
22. Boreger & Company, Berlin/I]
23. Arbeitsgemeinschaft fur Heeresbedarf in der Graveur-und-Ziselierung, Berlin
24. Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller, Hanau am Main
25. Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-, Gold und Silberschmeide-Innungen, Hanau
26. B.H. Mayers Kunstpragesanstalt, Pforzheim
27. Anton Schenkls Nachfolger, Wein (Vienna)
33. Friedrich Linden, Ludenscheid
35. F.W.Assmann und Sohn, Ludenscheid
40. Berg & Nolte, Ludenscheid
41. Gebruder Bender, Oberstein/Nahe
42. Bindermann & Company, Oberkassel bei Bonn
44. Jakob Bengel, Idar/Oberstein
45. Franz Jungwirth, Wien (Vienna)
49. Josef Feliz Sohn, Gablonz a.d.Neckar
52. Gottlieb & Wagner, Idar/Oberstein
55. J.E.Hammer & Sohn, Geringswalde
56. Robert Hauschild, Pforzheim
65. Klein und Quenzer A.G., Idar/Oberstein
66. Friedrich Keller, Oberstein
75. Unknown Manufacturer
76. Ernst L. Muller, Pforzheim
80. G.H. Osang, Dresden
93. Richard Simm & Sohn, Gablonz a.d.Neckar
94. Adolf Scholze, Grunwald a.d.Neckar
96. Unknown Manufacturer
98. Rudolf Souval, Wien (Vienna)
100. Rudolf Wachtler und Lange
103. August G. Tam, Gablonz an der Neckar
106. Bruder Schneider A.G., Wien (Vienna)
108. Arno Wallpach, Salzburg
113. Hermann Aurich, Dresden
120. Franz Petzl, Wien (Vienna)
122. J.J.Stahl, Strassburg
123. Beck, Hassinger & Company, Strassburg
125. Eugen Gauss, Pforzheim
128. S. Joblonski GmbH, Posen
137. Unknown Manufacturer
138. Unknown Manufacturer

[ 23. November 2002, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: C.Evans ]

 

Iron Cross 2nd Class Spange (Clasp) Manufacturers.

The Iron Cross 2nd Class "Spange" device is when a man was awarde the Iron Cross 2nd Class twice. Usually a man was awarded it (if serving in ww1) was awarded his Iron Cross 2nd class--then in ww2--when winning the Iron Cross 2nd Class again--he was awarded the Spange--which is an eagle with spread wings--swaz in a reef under the main body, and a bar that says 1939--at the very bottom.

1939 Spange Manufacturers.

Makers Number and Manufacturer name and city located in.

L/11. Wilhelm Deumer, Ludenscheid
L/12. C.E.Juncker, Berlin
L/16. Steinhauer und Luck, Ludenscheid
L/18. B.H.Mayers, Pforzheim
L/50. Gebruder Godet, Berlin
L/57. Boerger & Company, Berlin
21. Gebruder Godet, Berlin
44. Jakob Bengel, Oberstein
111. Ziemer und Sohn, Oberstein

 

Iron Cross 1st Class Manufacturers.

1. Deschler und Sohn, Munchen (Munich)
2. C.E.Juncker, Berlin
3. Wilhelm Duemer, Ludenscheid
4. Steinhauer und Luck, Ludenscheid
5. Hermann Wernstein, Jena-Lobstedt
6. Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart
7. Paul Maybauer, Berlin
8. Ferdinand Hoffstatter, Bonn/Rhein
9. Liefergemeinschaft Pforzheimer Schuckhandwerker, Pforzheim
10. Foerster und Barth, Pforzheim
11. Grossmann und Company, Wien (Vienna)
12. Frank und Reif, Stuttgart
13. Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
14. Lauer, Nurnberg
15. Friedrich Orth, Wien (Vienna)
16. Alois Rettenmaier, Schwabisch/Gmund
17. Unknown Manufacturer
18. Karl Wurster KG, Markneukirchen
19. E.Ferd Weidmann, Frankfurt am Main
20. C.F.Zimmermann, Pforzheim
21. Gebr, Godet & Company, Berlin
22. Boerger & Company, Berlin
23. Arbeitsgemeinschaft fur Heeresbedaarf in der Graveur und Ziselierung, Berlin
24. Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller, Hanau am Main
25. Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur, Gold und Silbeerschmeid Inningen, Hanau
26. B.H.Mayers Kunstprageanstalt, Pforzheim
27. Anton Schenkl's Nachfolger, Wien (Vienna)
28. Eugen Schmidthaussler, Pforzheim
29. Hauptmunzamt, Berlin
30. Hauptmunzmat, Wien (Vienna)
31. Hans Gnad, Wien
32. W. Hobacher, Wien
33. Friedrich Linden, Ludenscheid
34. Willy Annetsberger, Munchen (Munich)
35. F.W.Assmann und Sohn, Ludenscheid
36. Bury & Leonhard, Hanau
37. Adold Baumeister, Ludenscheid
38. Unknown Manufacturer
39. Rudolf Berge, Gablonz
40. Berg & Nolte, Ludenscheid
41. Gebr. Bender, IDar/Oberstein
42. Bindermann & Company, Oberkassel bei Bonn
43. Julius Bauer Sohn, Zella Mehlis
44. Jakob Bengel, Idar/Oberstein
45. Franz Jungwirth, Wien
46. Hans Doppler, Wela Oberdonau
47. Erhard & Sohn A.G., Schwabisch/Gmund
48. Richard Feliz, Gablonz
49. Richard Felix Sohn, Gablonz
50. Karl Gschiermeister, Wien
51. Eduard Gorlach & Sohn, Gablonz
52. Gottlieb und Wagner, Idar/Oberstein
53. Glaser & Sohn, Dresden
54. Unknown Manufacturer
55. J.E.Hammer & Sohn, Geringswalde
56. Robert Hauschild, Pforzheim
57. Karl Hensler, Pforzheim
58. Artur Jakel & Company, Gablonz
59. Louis Keller, Oberstein
60. Katz & Deyhle, Pforzheim
61. Rudolf A. Karnethz & Sohn, Gablonz
62. Kerbach & Osterhelt, Dresden
63. Franz J. Klast & Sohn, Gablonz
64. Gottl. Fr. Keck & Sohn, Pforzheim
65. Klein & Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
66. Friedrich Keller, Oberstein
67. H. Kriesel, Gablonz
68. Alfred Knobloch, Gablonz
69. Alois Klammer, Innsbrick
70. Lind & Meyrer, Oberstein
71. Rudolf Leukert, Gablonz
72. Franz Lipp, Pforzheim
73. Franz Manert, Gablonz
74. Carl Maurer Sohn, Oberstein
75. Unknown Manufacturer
76. Ernst L. Muller, Pforzheim
77. Bayerische Hauptmunzamt, Munchen (Munich)
78. Gustav Miksch, Gablonz
79. Unknown Manufacturer
80. G.H.Osang, Dresden
81. Overhoff & Cie, Ludenscheid
82. Augustin Prager, Gablonz
83. Emil Peukert, Gablonz
84. Carl Pellath, Schrobenhausen
85. Julius Pietsch, Gablonz
86. Paulmann & Crone, Ludenscheid
87. Roman Palme, Gablonz
88. Werner Redo, Saarlautern
89. Rudolf Richter, Schlag bei Gablonz
90. August F. Richter, KG, Hamburg
91. Josef Rossler und Company, Gablonz
92. Josef Ruckert & Sohn, Gablonz
93. Richard Simm & Sohn, Gablonz
94. Unknown Manufacturer
95. Adolf Scholze, ----------
96. Unknown Manufacturer
97. Unknown Manufacturer
98. Rudolf Souval, Wien
99. Schwertner & Cie, Granz/Eggenberg
100. Rudolf Wachter & Lange, Mittwaida
101. Rudolf Tam, Gablonz
102. Phillip Turk, Wien
103. August G. Tam, Gablonz
104. Heinrich Ulbricht's Ww, Kaufiing bei Schwanenstadt/Oberdonau
105. Heinrich Vogt, Pforzheim
106. Bruder Schneider AG, Wien
107. Carl Wild, Hamburg
108. Arno Wallpach, Salzburg
109. Walter & Henlein, Gablonz
110. Otto Zappe, Gablonz
111. Ziemer & Sohn, Oberstein
112. Argentor Werke Rust & Hetzel, Wien
113. Hermann Aurich, Dresden
114. Ludwig Bertsch, Karlsruhe
115. Unknown Manufacturer
116. Funcke & Bruninghaus, Ludenscheid
117. Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal
118. August Menze & Sohn, Wien
119. Unknown Maunfacturer
120. Franz Petzl, Wien
121. Unknown Manufacturer
122. J.J. Stahl, Strassburg
123. Beck, Hassinger & Comapny, Strassburg
124. Rudolf Schanes, Wien
125. Eugen Gauss, Pforzheim
126. Eduard Hann, Oberstein
127. Moritz Hausch AG, Pforzheim
128. S.Jablonski GmbH, Posen
129. Fritz Kohm, Pforzheim
130. Wilhelm Schroder & Company, Ludenscheid
131. Heinrich Wander, Gablonz
132. Franz Reischauer, Idar/Oberstein
133. Unknown Manufacturer
134. Otto Klein & Company, Hanau
135. Julius Mosersen, Oberstein

L/10 Deschler & Sohn, Munchen
L/11 Wilhelm Deumer, Ludenscheid
L/12 C.E.Juncker, Berlin
L/13 Paul Meybauer, Berlin
L/14 Friedrich Orth, Wien
L/15 Otto Schickle, Pforzheim
L/16 Steinhauer & Luck, Ludenscheid
L/17 Hermann Wernstein, Jena/Lobstedt
L/18 B.H.Mayer's Hofkunstprageanstalt, Pforzheim
L/19 Ferdinand Hoffstatter, Bonn
L/21 Forster & Barth, Pforzheim
L/22 Glaser & Sohn, Dresden
L/23 Julius Maurer, Oberstein
L/24 Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart
L/25 A.E.Kachert, Wien
L/26 Klein und Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
L/50 Gebr. Godet, Berlin
L/51 E.Ferd, Wiedmann, Frankfrut am Main
L/52 C.F.Zimmermann, Pforzheim
L/53 Hymmen & Company, Ludenscheid
L/54 Schauerte & Hohfeld, Ludenscheid
L/55 Wachtler & Lange, Mittwaida
L/56 Funcke & Bruninghaus-------
L/57 Boerger & Company, Berlin
L/58 Rudolf Souval, Wien
L/59 Alouis Rettenmaier, Schwabisch/Gmund
L/60 Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
L/61 Friedrich Linden, Ludenscheid
L/62 Werner Redo, Saarlautern
L/63 G.H.Osang, Dresden
L/64 Assmann & Sohn, Ludenscheid
L/65 Franke & Company KG, Ludenscheid
L/66 A.D.Schwerdt, Stuttgart

Now at this time--I have two examples of an Iron Cross 1st Class (1939). This has its iron center.

One example is unmarked--maker is not known. The other is marked L/19, meaning it was made by: Ferdinand Hoffstatter from Bonn. This ones center instead of being made of iron--it was made of Brass--which were the ones usually given to men in the Kriegsmarine.

[ 24. November 2002, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: C.Evans ]

 

Thanks, Carl !
I now know that my Iron Cross 2nd Class was made by J E Hammer & Sohn.
( You see, I don't entirely ignore decorations ! )

[ 24. November 2002, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: Martin Bull ]

 

Im so PROUD of you Martin sniff sniff--a True collector you are.

Now you know why I like collecting them so much

 

Well, I don't know about true collector - I found it in a little 'junk' shop in the wilds of East Anglia about seven years ago & thought - Iron Cross, gotta have it !

 

I VERY wise investment indeed. You almost never find any ww2 German stuff in Antique stores here--all the owners friends get first crack at the stuff.

Last year I did find an SS Marked Saddle in an Antique shop--but they wanted WAYYYYYYYYYYYY tooooooooo much for it.

 

Bump--for Stefan.

 

Dear collectors! I've got a first class iron cross, an unmarked one. Could anyone help me to determine its maker ?

 

Looks similar to this,

http://snyderstreasures.com/images/germanmilitaria/medals/ic/KCIC88MarkedFOA.jpg

And

German Iron Cross

 

could be a zimmermann?

http://regimentaldepot.com/TR/TR%20Medals/Iron%20Cross%201st%20Class/3500.htm

 

I don't think it looks similar to these at all.

 

Ray, I think I would agree with you - same beading flaws near the swastika and similar pin/catch setup. Can't be 100% though, my knowledge isn't too great...

 

same here will,but similarities lean towards that it is..ray..

 

Why not? The design is pretty identical asides from the condition of the two medals.

They also have this on that site as well, but it is marked.

http://snyderstreasures.com/images/germanmilitaria/medals/ic/ICFC1939MM7F.jpg

 

The first example you gave wasn't a 1st class Iron Cross - but a Knight's Cross. These are of completely different design, having different cores and frames. The swastika on the example you gave was thicker and the date was also different.

The second example you gave had different beading and the pin/catch setup was also different. The different makers Carl has listed here have tell tale signs that help with identification. I'm pretty sure no 1st class Iron Cross manufacturer is identical to another.

 

Point taken, can't believe that got by me! Guess I was so fixated on the images I didn't process the names well.

 

Many thanks for your help! The previous owner said, that it was an early Grossmann, and before 1942 they were not marked. Is it plausible?

 

I'd recommend you enrol here,as your more likely to get 100% answer to your iron cross question,hope this helps,ray..
Wehrmacht-Awards.com

 

They could be right - here's an example: Iron Cross

I think either Zimmermann or Grossman would be a good guess - but like ray said, enrol on that site and you'll get a definite answer! I can post it there if you wish.