Israel vs France

The French have the past few days few days come close to firing at Israeli aircraft monitoring hizzbolla forces in Lebenon.

Anyone want to hazard a guess as to the fall out should the French bring down an Israeli aircraft?

 

I would hope they get kicked out of the UN.....

Are the Israeli planes inflicting any damage or even making any threatening movements toward French troops?

Another is Israel will start a war with the French (after France declares war on Israel of course.) Then Canada nukes them both with our crappy BOMARCs (jk, jk)

 

French Threaten Planes Monitoring Hezbollah Build Up
by Nayla Razzouk Fri Nov 17

TYRE, Lebanon (AFP) - French UN anti-aircraft batteries have taken "preparatory steps" to respond to Israeli jets violating Lebanese airspace, despite global criticism of such incursions.

"The anti-aircraft unit of the (French) battalion took initial preparatory steps to respond to these actions," Milos Strugar, spokesman for the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) told AFP on Friday.

He said "UNIFIL observed and reported 14 Israeli air violations this morning, on November 17, 2006, and 11 of these violations occurred in the area of operation of the French battalion with UNIFIL."

UNIFIL Force Commander General Alain Pellegrini "strongly protested to the Israeli authorities and asked them to cease these actions which are unacceptable and in violation of Resolution 1701," the spokesman said.

Strugar said the French battalion took action to respond "in accordance with UNIFIL rules of engagements and UN Security Council Resolution 1701."

"They stipulate that in implementing their mandate, all UNIFIL troops may exercise the inherent right of self-defence and take all necessary action to protect UN personnel, facilities, installations and equipment," he said.

Strugar said the overflights took place in the central sector of southern Lebanon where the multinational UNIFIL force was boosted to more than 9,000 troops after the Israeli-Hezbollah war in July and August.

"In one instance, two Israeli F15 jets flew over the area at low altitude and high speed," he said.

"At the same time, two Israeli reconnaissance RC12 aircraft were circling above the headquarters of the French battalion located in Jabal Marun," east of the southern port city of Tyre, he said.

When asked about Friday’s overflights, an Israeli military spokesman in Jerusalem said only: "We don’t elaborate on aerial activity".

On October 31, the French UNIFIL forces came within seconds of firing at Israeli aircraft when they overflew UN positions in southern Lebanon, sparking an official complaint from Paris against the overflights.

But French Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said on November 13 that Israeli warplanes had stopped buzzing French troops in southern Lebanon, following two close incidents in the area.

Ignoring harsh international criticism, Israel has vowed to continue the overflights, claiming they were needed to monitor alleged arms smuggling by the Shiite militant group Hezbollah."

 

Sounds like the French are trying to hide something. Technically it's in violation of a resolution, but if the Un seriously thiks it will stop Hezbolla, they've got another thing coming.

 

The French have a strong presence in Northern Africa and it is their right to monitor nearby locations with reconissance aircraft... How can it be said that they are hiding something? Israel however is operating on foreign territory, I believe it is their responsibility not to violate the air regulations of friendly nations or of the UN...

I though all Canadians loved the French

 

Don't make me reach through our screens and strangle you

Unless the Israeis are actually launching weapons near or at the French, why should they care? Besides, two people watching are more likely to see something than just one.

w00t Canada!

 

French army doesn't take any shit lately. Why do you think that in Bosnian war only French sector did not have large incursions from warring parties. There were some incidents (Bosnian Serbs stealing one French APC, but they paid dearly for that). There were also some memorable moments when warring parties cleared mines themselves when French and especcialy LEF (Legion Etrangere Frances) demanded it.

Both sides are laying ground rules here. Israeli planes have no right to violate Lebanese airspace as per international law. Imagine if Mexican planes would conctantly buzzing US army bases in Texsas. UN mandate goes both ways here both for Hezbollah and Israeli forces. UN forces are supposed to be impartial and keep both sides from fighting. One can not do that by applying rules on one side only. UN forces are basicly defending Lebanese southern border thus forcing Hezbollah to move out, and at the same time trying to dissarm local militias (Hezbollah) and prevent them from rearming. One can't do that with any credibility if one allows one opposing party (Israel) braking rules (remember 1982?).

Technicaly Lebanese forces are entitled to shoot down or foce down any plane violating their airspace as any other sovereign nation..

 

tiso , its prolly because the israelis dont have a whole lot of confidence in the ability of either the lebanese military or the un troops to do a very good job of detecting and stopping weapons flow to hezbolla....i cant imagine why the israelis are always so paranoid . its almost as if they think every nation surrounding them is out to get them or something...

 

No nuclear weapons in Canada. The last American nuclear warheads were withdrawn in 1984.

 

Never mind.......

 

Well the French would bring Nukes into it as soon as possible because they know they would get it handed to them. Israel would own France.

 

Comparing to other countries France has a distinct political advantage. LEF (Legion Etrangere Franceis) are not french citizens (well mostly not) and as such France can afford casulties with minimum political problems at home. Another thing is LEF itself. Their rules as manifested in 90's in Balkans are still old rules of mercenary armies of old Europe (from one of men that served with LEF at the time: If you break my tooth i'll brake your jaw and kick your &%$#%&& face in, if you take out my eye i'll kick your &#%%#"%& head of ).
According to recent politics unveiled by Chirac some time back (use of nuclear wepons) if Israel would start mumbling about nulear their arsenal they would qiuckly become glass covered, self illuminating parking lot.

 

self illuminating parking lot

i like that quote

 

france is gonna nuke israel for mumbleing about their nukes ?

i guess we cam go ahead and moonscape iran then...since they havent been mumbleing at all ...they have made their intentions very clear

 

Realy? Quotes of primary (Iranian) sources please.

 

some speachs made to a home audience in farsi last year ..apparently amehdine belives farsi to be secret code outside of iran ..im searchin ,tiso

 

They've said all along they want to destroy Isreal.

 

Read some of those speches translated. No such words. Denying Israel's right to exsist (like most of the middle east) doesn't mean planting mushrooms in the area.
In one of the speches Ahmedinadjaf said since basicly Germans created the problem they should solve it (giving part of Germany for Israeli state) and not budening Palestinians with Jews. In western press that was translated as nasty Ahmedinadjaf wants to destroy Israel.

I would realy want to see your sources (just real curiosity).

 

And pushing Israel into the ocean doesn't count?

Which AFAIK (which isn't a lot) is at least one of the main objective of the gihad.

 

germany !!...great idea !..plus the jews all feel really safe in germany ive heard..cause most germans really love the juden even today., and most germans would love to give up a large portion of their country for judensraum ..that iranian is a geneious ....of course ...why didnt we think of it ...so simple ..so workable too ! id love to hear of all of his solutions to world strife ..im sure we could all learn so much...