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Jewelers Copy of Knights Cross with oakleaves

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  1. Wynne Thomas

    Wynne Thomas New Member

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    I have in my possession a Jewellers' copy of the Knights Cross of the Iron Cross. It is of three piece construction enclosed in a silver frame. Considering its age the medal is almost mint condition. Unfortunately I no longer have the original ribbon. I suppose it would be helpful to supply a photograph, but at this stage I generally wish to find its possible value. This award is good enough that only an experienced collector could tell the difference. Regards, Wynne
     
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    Unless its truly made of diamonds etc the worth is 20 euros. That is 15 dollars. we have lots of KC+oakleves and swords being sold.
     
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    You better have a proof of the making and vallue or you never sell it if you want to selll it.???
     
  4. Wynne Thomas

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    Hi I think members of this forum don't actually read the article before commenting. I have the original. The Jeweller's copy is difficult to distinguish from the original. Both are stamped. How many have actually seen a real one.
     
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    The KC alone might be around 7000 euros as I know and been offered in quite a rusty condition. however there was a proof to whom it belonged to.that makes a big diffferece I think.
     
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    .... I had 2 RitterKreuz [ can't believe that?? ] .....I went on many forums and if I remember correctly, one was worth about $8000-$10,000..they are not with oakleaves but both have ribbons and cases ...I still have one
    ...you specifically have the word ''copy'' in your post
    ..so you have an original?
    cop·y
    /ˈkäpē/

    1. 1.
      a thing made to be similar or identical to another.
     
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  7. Wynne Thomas

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    Hi The point is I have the original KC with Oak Leaves Box ribbon and case. This I don't want to sell. However a Jewellers Copy was made to be worn in the field. Side by Side they look identical. So what would this 'Jewellers copy be worth??
     
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    ..I never heard of that....I wouldn't know what a ''copy'' would be........please post pictures......well, obviously it's more than a KC....and ''worth''' is affected by whom you sell it to--collectors or dealers ..collectors might pay more
     
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    just a guess---I researched all KC stuff about 5 [?] years ago.....well, If a great condition KC is worth around $9000, maybe that is worth ---$12,000......maybe more--they are very rare--the original
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    ,,I would be suspicious of '''copies'''
     
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    ..where did you get these from?
     
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    I am not trying to be a Johnny Raincloud here but first, yes I did read your post, bit rude for a first
    I would never comment on a value on any type of anything without at least seeing at least one picture. Are you able to remove it from the frame? I am assuming you know the value of an original especially if you are able to connect the recipient and even higher if you have the document. A bit of a foggy question until more information given and yes I also have one.
     
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    ..anyway, copies are just that = copies--not worth much
     
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    Yes and no. If it is a post-war copy w/out diamonds, it is worth very little. If the copy was made during the war with cut glass "diamonds" and one has the providence to prove that, then it should be worth more. One would need proof that it was indeed made for the winner of the award. Since a lot of German officers wore their awards in the field, many did indeed get copies with artificial diamonds for field wear. A provable link between the recipient and that particular medal is needed. After the war, in the 80s and 90s, the jewelers who made the original medals made perfect copies of the medal because they still had the molds and other stuff that they made the real ones with. They made a lot of money off of these fakes until the bottom dropped out of the market because no one could tell the difference between an original ritterkruez and a fake. Also, after the war a lot of the original recipients who went into the Bundeswehr wondered if they could wear their medals on their uniform. The German govt. said yes as long as there wasn't swastika on it. So, these same jewelers trotted out their stuff but eliminated the offensive political logo and made even more money! Adolph Galland had a neat story re. these copies!
     
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    ...there weren't that many awarded......!
     
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    I bought a repro KC with Diamonds for under $50..but considering there were only 27 awarded I think my days of buying an original are slim and none. In order for a person to receive the Knight's Cross with Diamonds, he had to first receive the the Iron Cross, Second Class; the Iron Cross, First, Class; the Knight's Cross to the Iron Cross; the Knight's Cross with Oak-leaves; and finally the Knight's Cross with Oak-leaves and Swords, of which there were only 160 recipients.
     
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    where's the picture?
     
  18. Wynne Thomas

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    In no y him
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    Hi I may have been rather blunt in my comments. Never the less the members reading this post always seem to pick up the wrong thread. I'll try to reiterate I have the original ribbon etc.I thought 'Jeweller's Copy' would be a trigger. This copy was made in Stuttgart in 1942. I assume to wear in the field as apposed to converting an EK2. It is of three piece construction, with a silver hall marked frame and a magnetic centre. It compares very favourably with the original but only an expert could tell them apart It's not a post war knock off. So I have the provenance of the original piece. I just simply wanted to know what it would be worth.
     
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    ..how did you get it?
    ..I haven't researched them in a while..if you check out KCs on different forums, you can get a lot of knowledge
    ...the paint job looks horrible on that
    ...condition looks poor
    ..I'll get mine and post it
     

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