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  1. Not One Step Back

    Not One Step Back Member

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    bit stupid seem as i recently visted arnhem and the drops zones, but im trying to find a decent source for how many allied soldiers died as a result of market garden.
    also, axis deaths (i thought up to 6000?) and how many dutch died as a result (incl the famine)

    cheers
     
  2. Martin Bull

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    Needless to say, arriving a final definitive figure is well-nigh impossible given the confusion of the time.The only source I have is not for Market-Garden but purely for an estimate of losses in the immediate Arnhem/Oosterbeek area.

    My copy of J A Hey's 'Roll Of Honour : Battle Of Arnhem 17-26 September 1944' ( Friends of the Airborne Museum, 4th Rev. Ed. 1999 ) provides the following totals ; -

    Fatal casualties of 1st British Airborne Division, 1st Polish Independent Parachute Brigade Group, supporting elements and air forces : - 1,892

    German war dead : - 1,725
     
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    War always comes with a new milestone of causalities and loses, i learned a lot from this forum regarding wars! death toll of 6000 is a BIG dutch loss! i am hopeful this kind of dooms day will not happen again! anyways! i am getting causalities in my veggie garden :) may be a gardening tool selection problem i am sticking to one ryobi tools dealer. Let see i can have remedy to my problems!
     
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    I read a book some years ago called 'it never snows in september by Robert Kershaw' it gave the view of Market Garden from the German perpective, try a local Library its worth a look.
     
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    This write-up totally changed the way I thought about this dimension. But this is true anyways; it'd be great help if you comment on using circular saw article and make my way easier.
     
  7. RD3

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    Give me some time so I can look up some numbers and give you a list of the losses during this operation.
     
  8. RD3

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    As promised:

    The men who left for Arnhem and surrounding areas but never came at their destination are also included in the figures. The figures of the dead aren’t only the men who were killed in action but also those who died of their wounds (until end 1944) and those who died as a prisoner of war or where killed during an attempt to escape. The category ‘missing’ are for the greatest part POW’s of whom many where wounded. Also included in this category are those who had hidden themselves en later could escape over the river.

    [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD="colspan: 5"]British 1st Airborne Division
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]Went In
    [/TD]
    [TD]Died
    [/TD]
    [TD]Evacuated
    [/TD]
    [TD]Missing
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Divisional HQ and Defense Platoon
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]142
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]70
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]58
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Parachute Brigade
    [/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Brigade HQ and Defence Platoon
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]82
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]74
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Parachute Battalion
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]548
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]82
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]89
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]377
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]2nd Parachute Battalion
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]525
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]57
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]452
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]3rd Parachute Battalion
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]588
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]65
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]28
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]495
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Airlanding Anti-Tank Battery
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]191
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]24
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]52
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]115
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Parachute Squadron, Royal Engineers
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]143
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]20
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]110
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]16 Parachute Field Ambulance
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]135
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]129
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Airlanding Brigade
    [/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Brigade HQ and Defence Platoon
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]69
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]39
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]23
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]7th King's Own Scottish Borderers
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]765
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]112
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]76
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]577
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Battalion The Border Regiment
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]788
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]121
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]235
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]432
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]2nd Battalion South Staffordshire Regiment
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]767
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]85
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]124
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]558
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]181 Airlanding Field Ambulance
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]137
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]132
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]4th Parachute Brigade
    [/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Brigade HQ and Defence Platoon
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]86
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]43
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]31
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]156 Parachute Battalion
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]479
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]98
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]68
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]313
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]10th Parachute Battalion
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]582
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]92
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]86
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]404
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]11th Parachute Battalion
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]571
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]92
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]72
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]407
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]2nd Airlanding Anti-Tank Battery
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]168
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]25
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]37
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]106
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]4th Parachute Squadron, Royal Engineers
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]155
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]19
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]64
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]72
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]133 Parachute Field Ambulance
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]129
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]123
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Divisional Units
    [/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Airlanding Light Regiment, Royal Artillery
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]372
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]36
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]136
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]200
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1 Forward Airborne Observation Unit, RA
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]73
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]23
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]43
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Airborne Divisional Signals
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]348
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]28
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]149
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]171
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]9th Airborne Field Company, Royal Engineers
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]194
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]71
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]79
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]161 Airborne Field Park Company, Royal Engineers
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]21st Independant Parachute Company
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]186
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]20
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]120
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]46
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Airborne Reconnaissance Squadron
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]181
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]30
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]73
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]78
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]250 Airborne Light Composite Company
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]226
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]29
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]75
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]122
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Airborne Divisional Field Park, RAOC
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]19
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Airborne Divisional Workshops, REME
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]61
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]29
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]26
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Airborne Divisional Provost Company, CMP
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]69
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]89th Parachute Field Security Section, Intelligence Corps
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Units attached to the Division
    [/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]The Glider Pilot Regiment No. I Wing
    [/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]The Glider Pilot Regiment No. 2 Wing
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1262
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]219
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]532
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]511
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]6080 and 6341 Light Warning Units RAF
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]45
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]32
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Dutch Liaison Mission
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Public Relations Teams
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]US Air Support Signals Team
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"][/TD]
    [TD="colspan: 2"]No further details
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]GHQ Signal Liaison Regiment Detachment
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"][/TD]
    [TD="colspan: 2"]No further details
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Jedburgh Team
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Total
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10165
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1391
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2375
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6379
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]




    [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TD="colspan: 5"]Polish Independent Parachute Brigade Group
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]Went in
    [/TD]
    [TD]Died
    [/TD]
    [TD]Missing
    [/TD]
    [TD]Wounded
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Brigade HQ
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]113
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]1st Battalion
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]354
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]28
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]2nd Battalion
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]351
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]33
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]3rd Battalion
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]374
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]30
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]39
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]48
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Anti-Tank Battery
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]132
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]20
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]29
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]30
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Signals Company
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]93
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Medical Company
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]90
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Transport and Suppg Company
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]43
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]Light Artillery Battery
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"][/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]




    For the US Airborne forces I couldn't find more than this:
    82 Airborne Division: 1432 killed, missing or wounded
    101 Airborne Division: 2118 killed, missing or wounded.

    I can't say If these figures are just the losses during Market Garden or that they are for the whole period this divisions stayed in the area (until november I think).
     
  9. RD3

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    German losses:
    The total figure has stayed unknown, but in Arnhem and Oosterbeek the losses were 3300 men, of which 1100 were killed. In the whole area of Market Garden the losses were much higher. Research has come up with a figure between 7500 and 10000 (of which a quarter dead) for the actions in Neerpelt and in the corridor in Nijmegen, Grave, Veghel, Best and Eindhoven.

    Dutch civilians:
    There are no official figures. An estimation is at Arnhem 200 dead and in Oosterbeek 150 dead.

    Losses of the ground forces XXX Corps: 1480. VIII and XII Corps: 3874
     
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    I have some numbers of the losses in the RAF and the USAAF too, if somebody is still interested, which doesn't seemed to be.
     
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    I am not sure where you got those numbers for the 1st Abn Div. from, but they look pretty close. A few minor corrections; for the 9th, they lost 45 men and over 200 went in, the 4th Para. Sqn, R.E. lost 22 men and it is the 261st Airborne Field Park Company, R.E. not the 161st.
     
  12. RD3

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    I have got the numbers from the book 'The Arnhem Battle, 17-26 september' by Martin Middlebrook.
    You are right about the 261st Airborne Field Park Company.
    About the difference in numebers, I think it depends on the source you have, but they are minor.
     

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