National Socialism

I know Hitler used the term Socialism as a selling point for a certain demographic in the title, but for all intents and purposes National Socialism was extreme-right, anti-liberalism with businesses still operating with the profit motive. How did Hitler justify immediately going after Socialists and trade unions after gaining power, when many believed in the ideal of Socialism who supported Hitler?

 

Do not know if he explained anything. After the Reichstag fire he declared emergency time law which gave him powers to decide what is necessary to protect the German nation which was supposed to be for a limited time only but was never removed.

 

He went after Socialists and Liberal politicians first, including Communists. I believe this is why Strasser left and went into exile, because Hitler was in with big business and had no plans to break them up or have the State take over the assets.

 

Personally I think politics is more like a circle. The further you go to the left you come out in the radical right wing. The name is different but the cruelty is just the same.

 

...we go to realistic thinking and living again---just like ''''today's problems''', a lot of these issues have '''in betweens'''/combinations of both/etc.....like Russia 1918 and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, the higher ups did not live the socialism life---they lived the dictator life--the ''tradionalists'' life....
..we have people in the US today that are leftists--but act/commit acts like ----[ in nice terms ] the Right!!!!--which makes them hypocrites/etc--the left committing many Kristallnachts--exactly like Kristallnacht

..the Khmer Rouge were communists--but they were also:
'''''The Khmer Rouge regime was highly autocratic, totalitarian, xenophobic, paranoid, and repressive.'''''
Khmer Rouge - Wikipedia

.....they were --to put it lightly = crazy.....they moved everyone out of the cities/etc!!--crazy ideas like we see in the US today...the intolerant/etc people being sanctimonious...the people claiming to be victims of hate doing the hating...
..we see the same thing in the Iranian Revolution---they hated the evil SAVAK, but then the Revolutionaries committed ''summary'' executions/etc = hypocrites--'''combinations'''

 

exactly--exactly!!!!

 

Hitler discarded the "socialist" aspect of national socialism as evidenced by the Night of the Long Knives.

BTW, finally learned why the Soviets used "Hitlerites" instead of Nazis. The Soviets did not want to acknowledge that Nazis were socialists and that the was a battle between socialist brothers. Workers of the world unite type stuff. Only Soviet Socialism was true socialism. LOL.

 

Hitler pretty much modeled his movement on Lenin's in terms of actions and policies. The hierarchy lived like kings and the rest lived in rags in Russia. However the standard of living and advancement of was further ahead in Germany.

 

Weird but after night of the long knives Stalin said Hitler was a true man to lead the country when before he had considered Hitler was purely speaking empty promises and would vanish soon.

 

..the same hypocrisy/etc happens today in the US

 

Reichstag fire - Wikipedia

The Reichstag fire (German: Reichstagsbrand, listen (help·info)) was an arson attack on the Reichstag building, home of the German parliament in Berlin, on Monday 27 February 1933, precisely four weeks after Adolf Hitler was sworn in as Chancellor of Germany. Hitler's government stated that Marinus van der Lubbe, a Dutch council communist, was the culprit, and it attributed the fire to communist agitators.

The day after the fire, the Reichstag Fire Decree was passed. The Nazi Party used the fire as a pretext to claim that communists were plotting against the German government, which made the fire pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany.

Hitler urged President Paul von Hindenburg to issue an emergency decree to suspend civil liberties and pursue a "ruthless confrontation" with the Communist Party of Germany.
After the decree was issued, the government instituted mass arrests of communists, including all of the Communist Party's parliamentary delegates. With their bitter rival communists gone and their seats empty, the Nazi Party went from having a plurality to a majority, thus enabling Hitler to consolidate his power.

The Reichstag Fire Decree (German: Reichstagsbrandverordnung) is the common name of the Decree of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State (German: Verordnung des Reichspräsidenten zum Schutz von Volk und Staat) issued by German President Paul von Hindenburg on the advice of Chancellor Adolf Hitler on 28 February 1933 in immediate response to the Reichstag fire. The decree nullified many of the key civil liberties of German citizens. With Nazis in powerful positions in the German government, the decree was used as the legal basis for the imprisonment of anyone considered to be opponents of the Nazis, and to suppress publications not considered "friendly" to the Nazi cause. The decree is considered by historians as one of the key steps in the establishment of a one-party Nazi state in Germany.

Reichstag Fire Decree - Wikipedia

 

in a nutshell:
National Socialism was a movement that established itself in the economic-political turmoil of the interwar period. At that time, after the abdication of Kaiser Wilhelm II, an internal power struggle raged between the aristocratic-bourgeois-conservative faction and the socialist-communist-oriented groupings: The Nazis cleverly positioned themselves ideologically between these factions.

I don't need to explain the concept of nationalism any further - here the Nazis scored points mainly by wanting to undo the conditions of the Treaty of Versailles, which were perceived as humiliating and unjust.

According to Karl Marx, socialism was the stage of development preceding communism, aiming at social or state ownership of the means of production and equitable distribution of goods to all members of the community
The Nazis officially referred "their" socialism to the second part, in order to win in this way broader layers of the population, which lived in poverty after the war due to hyperinflation and world economic crisis.

Strictly speaking, it was a patchwork ideology, which quite brazenly helped itself everywhere. It worked quite well, because it appealed to a very broad electorate. This is best expressed by the many Communists who defected after 1933: These were derisively referred to as "beefsteak Nazis" by the party's old fighters: Brown on the Outside, Red on the Inside....

 

Secret Meeting of 20 February 1933 - Wikipedia

The Secret Meeting of 20 February 1933 (German: Geheimtreffen vom 20. Februar 1933) was a secret meeting held by Adolf Hitler and 20 to 25 industrialists at the official residence of the President of the Reichstag Hermann Göring in Berlin. Its purpose was to raise funds for the election campaign of the Nazi Party.[1]

The German elections were to be held on 5 March 1933. The Nazi Party wanted to achieve two-thirds majority to pass the Enabling Act and desired to raise three million Reichsmark to fund the campaign. According to records, 2,071,000 Reichsmarks (equivalent to €8,869,889 in 2017) were contributed at the meeting.[1] Together with the Industrial petition, it is used as evidence to support the idea that big business played a central role in the rise of the Nazi Party.

What Hitler said:

Then Hitler declared that he needed complete control of the state to crush communism:

We must first gain complete power if we want to crush the other side completely.[...]In Prussia, we must still gain another 10 seats, and in the Reich proper, another 33. That is not impossible if we exert all our strength. Then, only, begins the second action against communism.

Political views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia

n 1939, Hitler told the Swiss Commissioner to the League of Nations Carl Burckhardt that everything he was undertaking was "directed against Russia" and that "if those in the West are too stupid or too blind to understand this, then I shall be forced to come to an understanding with the Russians to beat the West, and then, after its defeat, turn with all my concerted force against the Soviet Union"

 

....we can't use comparisons to clearly show points?

 

nothing against Kai, but his post clearly, clearly, undeniably talks about current politics ----yet you gave him no reply.....??..[ unless I missed it? ] why the unfairness? !
....and that's a major problem today--unfairness ..is that what WW2F is about?

 

Can you please tell where I talk current politics? The circle version has been the same with Hitler and Stalin as I explained and I think I never mentioned any modern political persons, or did I?? Sorry if I made you feel I talk about current politics and I can remove the bits you think do so. Reichstag burning was blamed by the nazis being done by communists and that was 1933 done by nazis themselves. they needed a scapegoat and the communists were from the beginning their target in 1933 and looked for a reason to start putting people into concentration camps; communists, anti-nazis, homosexuals, non-aryans etc.

 

..with pleasure:
--not only do you use the word '''is''', but you also use the word ''same'''
--any way you cut, that's current
'''''politics is'''''....undeniable--irrefutable
Definition of IS

 

The atmosphere of uncertainty following the Reichstag Fire secured many voters for the Nazi party.

The SA also ran a violent campaign of terror against any and all opponents of the Nazi regime. Many were terrified of voting of at all, and many turned to voting for the Nazi Party out of fear for their own safety. The elections were neither free or fair.

On the 5 March 1933, the elections took place, with an extremely high turnout of 89%.

The Nazis secured 43.9% of the vote, an improvement of almost 10% on the previous November’s election. Despite this improvement, the Nazis still did not command a majority in the Reichstag.

On the 28 February 1933, President Hindenburg signed the Emergency Decree for the Protection of the German People. This decree suspended the democratic aspects of the Weimar Republic and declared a state of emergency.

This decree gave the Nazis a legal basis for the persecution and oppression of any opponents, who were be framed as traitors to the republic. People could be imprisoned for any or no reason.

The decree also removed basic personal freedoms, such as the freedom of speech, the right to own property, and the right to trial before imprisonment.

Through these aspects the Nazis suppressed any opposition to their power, and were able to start the road from democracy to a dictatorship.