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  1. Alvinhy

    Alvinhy New Member

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    Hello WW2F, Im in process of creating a commemorative deck of playing cards and would like to have more information about battleships.
    The decks theme will be around warships during the WWII era.

    I'm planning to have the court cards (Jack, Queen, King) as the captains of the ship. I am having a hard time trying to find information on them.
    It would be great if you can fill in the missing names! It would be best if the ship has been sunk during WWII since is a commemorative deck.

    For the British Commonwealth, USA and Japanese Card Decks:
    Kings = Battleships etc.
    Queens = Aircraft Carriers.
    Jacks = Cruisers etc.

    For the Western Axis Card Deck - who did not have any Aircraft Carriers:

    Kings = Battleships and Battlecruisers.
    Queens = Heavy Cruisers (and reclassified as thus Pocket battleships)
    Jacks = (Light) Cruisers et cetera
    - with perhaps one + reserved for U-boats engaged in Battle, as a tribute to that class, albeit they were largely just "Predator" vessels.

    Count Card Preferences:

    Spades: The ones that dug in. Did the dirty job and got it done.
    Hearts: The Heart Throb losses. The most honourable of the honourable. The most memorable.
    Diamonds: The ones that sparkled. Valuable losses.
    Clubs: The Sledge Hammer losses. The truly brutal ones.
    Note:
    1. There is a court card King of Hearts called "The Suicide King", that captain would the Suicide King.
    2. For the Japanese, Diamonds are special. (Example: Mitsubishi means three diamonds.)
    3. A club loss is most likely going to be a "suicidal" battle choice, no two ways about it.

    I need the captains names because I am going to use them as court cards.
    . Keep an eye out, just in the off chance any might still be alive. We are commemorating those who have passed on, not the living.

    The most Honourable and Memorable Senior Staff and / or Crew Member's Names will be printed on the Interior of the Playing Card Box as a particularly poignant commemoration of their losses.

    If you can list some of the most popular warships during WWII, that would be great!
    (Still a long way to go :( )

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    USA
    King of Spades - USS Arizona
    King of Hearts - USS Washington
    King of Clubs -
    King of Diamonds - USS North Carolina

    Queen of Spades - USS Yorktown
    Queen of Hearts - USS Enterprise
    Queen of Clubs - USS Lexington
    Queen of Diamonds

    Jack of Spades - USS San Francisco
    Jack of Hearts - USS Astoria
    Jack of Clubs -
    Jack of Diamonds - USS Johnston


    BRITISH COMMON WEALTH
    King of Spades - ORP Orkan
    King of Hearts - HMS Glowworm
    King of Clubs - HMS Hood
    King of Diamonds - HMS Repulse

    Queen of Spades - HMS Prince of Wales
    Queen of Hearts - HMS Exeter
    Queen of Clubs - HMS Rawalpindi
    Queen of Diamonds - HMS Ark Royal

    Jack of Spades - HMS Jervis Bay
    Jack of Hearts - HMAS Perth
    Jack of Clubs - HMAS Yarra
    Jack of Diamonds - HMCS Regina


    WESTERN AXIS
    King of Spades - KMS Bismarck
    King of Hearts - Panzerschiff
    King of Clubs - KMS Gneisenau
    King of Diamonds - KMS Tirpitz


    Queen of Spades - FNS Ilmarinen
    Queen of Hearts -
    Queen of Clubs -
    Queen of Diamonds -

    Jack of Spades -
    Jack of Hearts -
    Jack of Clubs -
    Jack of Diamonds -

    =============Reference==============

    JAPAN
    Spades Jack IJN Mogami
    Spades Queen - IJN Akagi
    Spades King - IJN Nagato
    Hearts Jack IJN Takao
    Hearts Queen IJN Shokaku
    Hearts King IJN Yamato
    Clubs Jack IJN Myoko
    Clubs Queen IJN Kaga
    Clubs King IJN Kirishima
    Diamonds Jack IJN Tone
    Diamonds Queen IJN Hiryu
    Diamonds King IJN Musashi

    GERMANY
    Spades Jack - U-123
    Spades Queen - KMS Admiral Scheer
    Spades King - KMS Tirpitz
    Hearts Jack U-47
    Hearts Queen KMS Prinz Eugen
    Hearts King - KMS Bismarck
    Clubs Jack U-103
    Clubs Queen - KMS Admiral Hipper
    Clubs King - KMS Gneisenau
    Diamonds Jack U-99
    Diamonds Queen KMS Admiral Graf Spee
    Diamonds King KMS Scharnhorst
     
  2. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Getting enough German ships might me an issue as they were not as numerous of a maritime power as the US, UK and Japanese navies. Perhaps combine German and Italian navies?
     
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    Google or wikipedia not working in your corner of the intrawebs, Alvinhy? Or do you just not have the time?
     
  4. Alvinhy

    Alvinhy New Member

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    I was thinking of including the submarines as well.

    Google a wiki works, but I wanted some opinions from the experts here on the forums as to which warships are most popular and talked about.
     
  5. Fred Wilson

    Fred Wilson "The" Rogue of Rogues

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    During the war the Allies (Americans, United Kingdom and Commonwealth, France, Russia, Netherlands, ...) lost more than 1,900 warships to all causes.

    Japanese Navy Losses are detailed here: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Japan/IJN/JANAC-Losses/JANAC-Losses-2.html
    Numerous Special Attack Units were developed for suicide missions, in a desperate move to compensate for the annihilation of the main fleet at the end of World War II,.
    These units included Kamikaze Shinyo ("Sea Quake") suicide boats as well as
    Nearly all of its ships were sent to the bottom of the sea by the war's end.
    I apologize, but I just can't count that high. 6,238 JANAC losses I think.
    Chronological order: https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Japan/IJN/JANAC-Losses/JANAC-Losses-3.html
    By Class: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_Navy_ships_and_war_vessels_in_World_War_II
    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Japan/IJN/JANAC-Losses/

    The best ship on paper means nothing.
    In the end it was the ability of a crew to work together as a team. So many factors had to work together seamlessly to create a Super-Ship.

    Forgotten heros:

    Carriers:
    For me the Illustrious spells so much about the RN, albeit she survived the war. So is excluded from these Card Decks.
    She served half her time in WW2 in the SEAC but the British suppressed the nature and the extent of their involvement in that theatre due to the sensitivities of the Americans.
    How long did she run without her center propeller? Hmmm?

    ROYAL OAK, sunk by a U-boat torpedo at Scapa Flow, Orkneys, October 14, 1939
    The British went into WW2 thinking her the heart and soul of the RN. Scapa Flow was thought to be impregnable.

    The REPULSE, sunk by Japanese torpedo-aircraft, E coast of Malaya, December 10, 1941
    Captain William George Tennant
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Repulse_(1916)

    Cruisers:
    HMS YORK lost at Suda Bay, Crete after damage on various dates by explosive motor boats and aircraft, May 22, 1941
    Captain Reginald Henry Portal
    http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono-06CA-York.htm

    EXETER sunk in action with Japanese surface craft, Java Seas, March 1, 1942
    Captain Oliver Loudon Gordon MVO
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Exeter_(68)

    Cruiser minelayers:
    LATONA (2,650y, 4/5/41), attacked by aircraft, E Mediterranean, October 25, 1941
    Captain Stuart Latham Bateson
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Latona_(M76)

    Destroyers:
    INTREPID sunk by aircraft, in Leros Harbour, Dodecanese, September 27, 1943
    Commander Charles Arthur de Winton Kitcat
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Intrepid_(D10)

    See RN ships lost in WW2 at: http://www.naval-history.net/WW2BritishLosses1Major.htm
     
  6. Alvinhy

    Alvinhy New Member

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    Added to the list!
     
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    I noticed you have British carries on the list.

    If carries are ok, Japan had plenty of big ones.

    I'd include German cruisers before U-boats.
    Also the old SMS Schlewig-Holstein. She fired the first shots of WWII. Maybe make her a Jack
     
  8. Fred Wilson

    Fred Wilson "The" Rogue of Rogues

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    Edited above.

    Would like one RN / Canadian Corvette, in particular if it is a Flower Class, to be on there.
    Convoys kept not only England but the War alive and in the game.

    Pleading for recognition of Canada I would submit as Diamonds Jack the most famous of ours:
    HMCS Regina. Torpedoed and sunk by U-667 on 8 August 1944 while rescuing survivors of the American merchant Liberty ship Ezra Weston off Trevose Head. 30 crew were killed.
    Lt Jack Wiles Radford, RCNR (4 September 1943 - 8 August 1944)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Regina_%28K234%29

    It surprises me that the Deep Sea Mysteries episode on the Regina is not on Youtube.
     
  9. Takao

    Takao Ace

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    This is a basic list mostly following the standard:
    Kings = Battleships
    Queens = Aircraft Carriers
    Jacks = Cruisers

    Except for Germany who follows
    Kings = Battleships
    Queens = Heavy cruisers
    Jacks = U-Boats



    USA
    Spades Jack - USS San Francisco
    Spades Queen - USS Yorktown
    Spades King - Uss Iowa
    Hearts Jack - USS Astoria
    Hearts Queen - USS Enterprise
    Hearts King - USS Massachusetts
    Clubs Jack - USS Chicago
    Clubs Queen - USS Lexington
    Clubs King - USS Arizona
    Diamonds Jack - USS Houston
    Diamonds Queen - USS Franklin
    Diamonds King - USS North Carolina

    United Kingdom
    Spades Jack - HMS Sheffield
    Spades Queen - HMS Victorious
    Spades King - HMS King George V
    Hearts Jack - HMS Suffolk
    Hearts Queen - HMS Illustrious
    Hearts King - HMS Warspite
    Clubs Jack - HMS Exeter
    Clubs Queen - HMS Ark Royal
    Clubs King - HMS Rodney
    Diamonds Jack HMS Ajax
    Diamonds Queen - HMS Furious
    Diamonds King - HMS Hood
    Japan
    Spades Jack IJN Mogami
    Spades Queen - IJN Akagi
    Spades King - IJN Nagato
    Hearts Jack IJN Takao
    Hearts Queen IJN Shokaku
    Hearts King IJN Yamato
    Clubs Jack IJN Myoko
    Clubs Queen IJN Kaga
    Clubs King IJN Kirishima
    Diamonds Jack IJN Tone
    Diamonds Queen IJN Hiryu
    Diamonds King IJN Musashi

    Germany
    Spades Jack - U-123
    Spades Queen - KMS Admiral Scheer
    Spades King - KMS Tirpitz
    Hearts Jack U-47
    Hearts Queen KMS Prinz Eugen
    Hearts King - KMS Bismarck
    Clubs Jack U-103
    Clubs Queen - KMS Admiral Hipper
    Clubs King - KMS Gneisenau
    Diamonds Jack U-99
    Diamonds Queen KMS Admiral Graf Spee
    Diamonds King KMS Scharnhorst
     
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  10. Fred Wilson

    Fred Wilson "The" Rogue of Rogues

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    I would be more interested in knowing what lost ships the Japanese most honour and remember as opposed to US / Brit bias.
    That being what it is, many Japanese ships recorded on English websites are to this day still only listed by number. Name unknown.

    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Japan/IJN/JANAC-Losses/JANAC-Losses-3.html

    We lost a lot of experts, sad to say, including most Japanese members when the malware hit us so badly a few years ago.
    Not a one to be found on the member map to throw the question to.

    Japanese losses that pop to mind for me would include:

    Light Cruiser SENDAI lost November 2nd 1943 - intended for use as the flagship of a destroyer flotilla.
    Captain Kiichiro Shoji and 184 crewmen went down with the ship, but 236 other crewmen including Admiral Ijuin were rescued by destroyers.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_cruiser_Sendai

    I wonder where the Japanese would place the Musashi? Above or below the Yamato? All of us "WASPs" have it, IMHO, ass backwards.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Musashi

    - I would concur with Takao that she should own the Diamond King category. The "Diamond" has extra special meaning to the Japanese.
    - I would think that the entire Diamond stack should reflect that.

    Essentially the twin of the Yamato, the largest battleships ever built and therefore amongst the highest priority targets the allies had.
    Commissioned in mid-1942 the Musashi was modified to serve as the flagship of the Combined Fleet.
    Sunk by an estimated 19 torpedo and 17 bomb hits from American carrier-based aircraft on 24 October 1944 during the Battle of Leyte Gulf.
    Captain Toshihira Inoguchi chose to go down with his ship. [​IMG]
    Over half of her crew was rescued.

    Her wreck was located in March 2015 by Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen and his team of researchers.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11448575/Microsoft-co-founder-Paul-Allen-Ive-found-wreck-of-long-lost-WWII-Japanese-battleship.html
     
  11. Takao

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    Umm, Fred...

    You do realize that those vessels were not given official names, only numbers. The US did not begin naming their submarines until mid-1931. You can go to
    http://www.navsource.org/
    to see that the US did not name a lot of her smaller vessels during World War II.
     
  12. Alvinhy

    Alvinhy New Member

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    Oh my gosh, thank you so much Takao! I also moved takao to the Diamonds since Fred mentioned its a special meaning in Japan.
    here is the Ace of Spades for my upcoming project.

    now I'm off to draw the captains as their court cards!

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Fred Wilson

    Fred Wilson "The" Rogue of Rogues

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    While I still have time, I hereby resubmit my Canadian plea for Diamonds Jack as the most famous Flower Class Corvette: The HMCS Regina.

    The RCN lost 1,965 men during the War, most of them in the battle of the Atlantic.
    The British Merchant Navy lost 30,248 men, many of whom were Canadian, and the Royal Navy suffered 73,642 fatal casualties.

    It would mean a lot to many to remember the "few."
     
  14. Takao

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    Can't say I ever heard of the HMCS Regina...Now, the Tribal Class destroyer HMCS Haida
     
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    Fred Wilson "The" Rogue of Rogues

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    Funny thought you brought up. As a Canuck the Haida hardly rings a bell.
    Mind you, she survived until the 60's, while the Regina went down in honour. Just the name has meaning up here.

    The new HMCS Regina is a Halifax-class frigate that has served in the Canadian Forces and Royal Canadian Navy since 1993. (5th in her Canadian Patrol Frigate Project class.)
    She is the second vessel to carry the designation HMCS Regina.
    Regina was laid down on 6 October 1989 at MIL Davie Shipbuilding, Lauzon and launched on 25 January 1992.
    She was officially commissioned into the CF on 29 December 1993 and carries the hull classification symbol 334.
    She is assigned to Maritime Forces Pacific (MARPAC) and is homeported at CFB Esquimalt.

    I have been aboard for a tour.
     
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    Fred Wilson "The" Rogue of Rogues

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    Perhaps a second run of cards might be worth a look at... There are different markets out there...

    Brings up the thought that we should, at least, take a look at Aussie Navy losses. http://www.ozatwar.com/ran/ran.htm
    It was the entire British Commonwealth that was at war. One for all.
    http://www.gunplot.net/casualties/ranww2shiplosses.html

    For Australians, it is this order (albeit several on this list survived the war and several are surprizing choices given the above criteria.)
    1. AHS Centaur (Hospital Ship) sunk by a Japanese submarine off the coast of Queensland, Australia, on 14 May 1943.
    The attack was almost certainly illegal. The vessel was clearly marked. Of the 332 medical personnel and civilian crew aboard, 268 died, including 11 of the 12 nurses present.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHS_Centaur

    2. HMAS Sydney - the largest loss of life in the history of the Royal Australian Navy, the largest Allied warship lost with all hands during World War II on 19 November 1941.
    Captain Joseph Burnett had been moved from the position of Assistant Chief of Naval Staff at the Navy Office in Melbourne.
    The caveat being there is considerable question as to whether the loss was attributable to incompetence or negligence by its Captain.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_between_HMAS_Sydney_and_German_auxiliary_cruiser_Kormoran

    3. HMAS Armidale lost 1 December 1942 evacuating Australian and Dutch soldiers and delivering a relief contingent.
    Lieutenant Commander David H. Richards, RANR(S)
    https://www.awm.gov.au/exhibitions/cruelsea/background.asp

    4. MV Krait might surprize you as a top pick. That theatre had some wild and woolly ops...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Krait

    5. HMAS Perth lost 1 March 1942 in the Sunda Strait
    Captain Hector Waller KIA
    http://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-perth-i

    6. HMAS Warrnambool Decommissioned13 September 1947
    http://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-warrnambool-i

    7. HMAS Kuttabul lost 31 May 1942 is another one that might surprize you as a top pick.
    https://www.warmemorialsregister.nsw.gov.au/content/hmas-kuttabul-memorial-garden-island

    8. HMAS Australia under Commodore John Augustine Collins by mid 1944. The ship survived.
    http://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-australia-ii

    "Heroic", losses:

    9: HMAS YARRA lost 4 March 1942
    Lieutenant Commander Robert William Rankin
    http://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-yarra-ii

    10 to 12. ... needed to complete the deck plus replace the vessels that survived the war. CAC?
     
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    CAC Ace of Spades

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    "Famous" Australian WWII ships might include:

    HMAS: Australia
    Canberra
    Perth - Capt Hector Waller
    Sydney
    Kanimbla
    Manoora
    Westralia
    Arunta
    Vampire & Parramatta...
     
  18. Fred Wilson

    Fred Wilson "The" Rogue of Rogues

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    I'll ask Frederick, admin at Comando Supremo to chip in if he can.
    http://www.comandosupremo.com/category/weapons/warships

    U-Boats feel like a misfit here. Certainly not in that number. Sorry. They were predators. Mostly of cargo vessels.

    Regia Marina Losses 1939 - 1941: http://www.world-war.co.uk/warloss_233italy.php3

    Regia Marina Italiana: http://www.regiamarina.net/ship_info.asp?nid=121&lid=1

    It is interesting to note that the one area where fuel shortages really effected the conduct of the war was with the Regia Marina.

    Roma was a Littorio Class Battleship sunk by a German 1400 FX guided missile September 8, 1943 while sailing to Malta to surrender to the Allies.
    Admiral Carlo Bergamini was aboard and was lost when it sank. I do not know if he was the commander of the ship at the time.
    Total number aboard to 2,021 with total fatalities of 1,393.
    In her 15-month service life, Roma made 20 sorties, mostly in transfers between bases (none were into combat.)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_battleship_Roma_(1940)

    Zara was an Italian Zara class heavy cruiser lost 28 March, 1941 in the battle of Cape Matapan by short range artillery from the HMS Barham, Valiant and Warspite.
    799 fatalities of 1,086 men. The Fiume and the ship they had come back for, the Pola, and two destroyers, Vittorio Alfieri and Carducci, were also sunk in this epic engagement.
    Capitano di Vascello Luigi Corsi (and Admiral Carlo Cattaneo) were lost.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Zara

    The Trento Class Heavy Cruisers were designed for a fast unit war, aiming and sacrificing all for speed. All three were lost in WW2.
    The Trento itself was bombed by a Malta-based Bristol Beaufort bomber 15 June 1942 then torpedoed by the British submarine HMS Umbra.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trento-class_cruiser#Trento

    Armando Diaz was a Condottieri aka Cadorna class light cruiser torpedoed and sunk by the British submarine HMS Upright 25 February 1941
    464 fatalities out of 611 men.
    Captain unknown as yet... ________________
    A possible is: Capitano Di Vascello Franco Mazzola...
    Second-in-command was Capitano di fregata Mainardo de Nardis, who died in the sinking.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Armando_Diaz

    Alberico da Barbiano was a Giussano-class light cruiser lost in the Battle of Cape Bon alongside the Alberto di Giussano. 13 December 1941.
    Jerry cans and other metal containers filled with gasoline were loaded onto both cruisers and were placed on the ships' open decks.
    The use of these two cruisers was predicated on their speed that would act as a protection against attack.
    Nonetheless, the ships were intercepted by Allied destroyers guided by radar and sunk when Alberico Da Barbiano, before being able to open fire, was hit by at least three torpedoes (two from HMS Sikh and one from HMS Legion or HMS Maori) and gunfire, burst into flames, capsized and sank within a few minutes, leaving behind a massive fire.
    Captain Giorgio Rodocanacchi (and Admiral Antonino Toscano) were lost with the ship. 534 fatalities, 250 survivors.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_cruiser_Alberico_da_Barbiano
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    The Aquila was the only Regia Marina Aircraft Carrier. It never entered service for the Italian Navy.
    In 1943, Italian frogmen partially scuttled the ship to prevent it from getting into German hands. It was then salvaged, but scuttled by the Germans in 1945.
     
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    Fred Wilson "The" Rogue of Rogues

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    Much as I love the Illustrious, she did survive the war.
    If you want to stay true to your premise, there are better RN candidates to be found...

    If you need a carrier, choose the Intrepid - if not, the Repulse or Exeter.
     
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    Fred Wilson "The" Rogue of Rogues

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    I think it particularly admirable that you are listing the Captains of each ship lost on each card. Kuddos!

    USS Iowa (SSN-797) survived the war. You might be again better off looking for a replacement in order to stay in context.
    Several captains throughout the war. http://www.pacificbattleship.com/world_war_2
    February 22 1943 Captain John L. McCrea
    August 1944 Captain Allan R. McCann
    November 1944 Captain James L. Holloway Jr.
    July 1945 Captain Charles Wellborn Jr.

    USS Astoria (CL/CA-34)
    Commanded by Commodore William G. Greenman when sunk.
    See: http://www.ussastoria.org/Ships_Crew.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Astoria_(CA-34
     

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