Post war use of Axis AFVs and Vehicles.

Na it's not a Stug it's not! the tower appears to be smaller than that of a PzIV and the gun itself is different. Also, the vehicle appears to have some sort of sloped armour. I'd say it's a wierd looking wreck.



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My opinion? You guys are thinking of the wrong country. The mantlet, barrel and muzzle-break gave me a headache, because they reminded me of something, i just couldn't get it into my head what.

But then i got it, they look like they belong on a SU-76, no?

 

LOL That would have been my second choice. I didn't think of that originally due to all the tanks that were said to have been dug up didn't mention any Soviet ones IIRC.

 

Great finding! I was thinking when I first saw it of a T-34 but the muzzle break and gun barrel were totally different. That's it. As to having no reference to soviet vehicles, that SU was probably one of the many ca+ptured by the Germans...


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It does look like a SU-76 gun, but mounted on something else.

 

Exactly what i was thinking. You should see the hull of the SU-76 under the barrel if it infact is a SU-76, because it doesn't have a turret.

Can someone name other soviet (or any other country?) AFV's that use the Zis-3 cannon?

 

This is a strongpoint Panzer IV with a ZIS 3 76m gun from an Su76 cut into the turret.

Steve

 

Hmmm, perhaps we'd need another pic of this, this one is rather inconclusive...

 

From the site www.airgroup2000.com and valko BG

Photo of one in situ

Steve

 

And there ya go . ID'ed.

 

Which makes alot more sense then having a limited field of fire in regards to the StuGs and Jagdpanzer IVs being dug in.

 

I found some more photo at the same site by the same attribution give better details. same site also had a T62 on a t34 hull (i think only as a bunker) and a WW2 Pz35t turret as a bunker.

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4 other more shot of the same vehicle showing gun mounting, ammunition stowage (some of it I assume there would be more) and a right side view of turret. There were two vehicles with this configuration. Again these photos originate tfrom a Mr. Valko at BG forum.

 

Thanks Razin, I'm convinced now One of the ugliest things I have ever seen

 

Thanks razin. Obviously I hadnt gotten that far yet LOL.

 

Well, at least i was on the right tracks., it was a su76 gun!

And that is one ugly piece of metal.

 

Why would they do that for, why not just keep with the standard manufactured Pz IV"s?

 

Because the Germans made a bet on how many different kind of AFVs they could churn out in the least possible time .

Now seriously, the need for material was huge in the Eastern front. My guess is this was their most expedite and immediate way to have one extra tank in the field today rather than tomorrow.
Does anyone know if theis modification could be done in field workshops? or were the PzIV required to go all the way to a more fixed establishment to be refurbished??


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These were post war mofdifications. As German ammo was no longer available in quantities, the guns were replaced to be able to use standard ammunition.

 

Assuming the elevation of the mount remained the same as the SU76 the only reason for mounting this weapon would be to replace a defective barrel on the original turret, shortage of ammunition can be ruled out, the size of shell and range would probably be the same.