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Discussion in 'The Tanks of World War 2' started by Vassilli, Jan 16, 2006.

  1. Vassilli

    Vassilli New Member

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    hello I am new here and I am very interested in ww2. I thought it would be usefull to learn somethings about tanks and armor but I have a few (probably stupid)questions...
    1) what does this mean? Armor (max.): 35 mm
    2)I read that some tanks have a detonating charge how does this work?
    3) what is a Flak? and what is a Pak

    that is all I hope someone can help me because I would really like to now that.
     
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    1: Armor is a defensive covering, as of metal, wood, or leather, worn to protect the body against weapons. With WW2 era-tanks, this armor will almost always be steel. "35 mm" refers to its thickness.
    2: Some tanks might have "reactive armor" (ERA). http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2005470.asp
    3: "FlaK" is short for Flugabwehrkanone, which means "Anti Aircraft Gun."
    "Pak" is short for (AFAIK) "Panzer-kanone" (this is probably wrong) but it does refer to Anti-Tank guns in general, such as seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaK

    ;)
     
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    Vassilli New Member

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    thank you very much :cool:
     
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    Welcome to the forum, Vassili. I will have to correct Panzerman on his abbreviations just so that you don't get the wrong idea.

    Flak means "Flugzeugabwehrkanone", anti-aircraft gun in German. The word has become common in English as well.

    Pak means "Panzerabwehrkanone", anti-tank gun in German.
     
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    Christian Ankerstjerne Member

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    Pak can also mean Panzerjägerkanone
     
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    Hi Vassilli, and welcome! :D
    I'm not sure quite what is being referred to. Could you possibly write out the sentance that this appears in?
     
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    Thanks for the corrections Roel.. German is not my strongest side.

    ;)
     
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    Flak can also mean Flugabwehrkanone, so it's not as such wrong.
     
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    after a long (but fun) seach throug german tanks I found this one...
    Sonderschleper B IV SdKfz 301


    Armament: 500 kg detonating charge
    Crew: 1
    Armor (max.): -
    Speed (max.): 38 - 40 km/hr
    Dimensions: ???
    Weight: 4.9 ton

    how does the detonating charge work?
     
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    now I remember what FLAK was I am sure i read it somewhere but I couldn't remember...

    thanks for the help guys :p
     
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    You are speaking, I believe, of the SdKfz 301 Borgward B IV heavy remote-control demolition layer.

    Here is a picture of it, next to a Pzkfwg V Panther.

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    And here, a rather large image:

    http://www.afvnews.ca/-media/sd301ab.gif

    From the site Afvnews.ca:

    Directly after the Polish campaign, the German Army recognized the need
    for remotely controlled vehicles to clear gaps in minefields. Borgward
    was given a contract on 21 Nov/39 to develop their "B1", a fully tracked,
    radio controlled vehicle weighing 1.5 tons with a 4 cyl engine that could
    be used to tow mine detonating rollers. A total of 50 of these
    Minenraumwagen (SdKfz 300) were produced between Jan. and May 1940.
    Borgward was issued a second contract on 3 Apr/40 to develop the "B2",
    a slightly larger vehicle of 2.3 tons with a 49hp engine. The first unit
    to be issued the B2 was Minenraum Abteilung 1, formed in 1940 with 2
    companies. However, it does not appear that it saw action in France or
    in the East. In Oct./41 Borgward got another contract to design a radio
    controlled vehicle that could carry an explosive charge of 500 kg.
    Known as the B IV, it was officially designated by the Waffen amt as the
    Sprengladungstrager (SdKfz 301). It weighed 3.5 tons and was powered by
    a 6 cyl, 49hp engine. Twelve trial vehicles were completed by Apr./42 and
    full production began in May/42. Minenraum Abt. 1 was reorganized and
    designated Pz.Abt. (Funklenk) 300. The unit now consisted of 3 companies
    with an official organization published in KStN 1171f, dated Jan.1/43
    as follows:


    The article was written by Thomas L. Jentz, so I believe it is undeniably accurate.

    http://www.afvnews.ca/zimmerit.html

    Scroll downwards to find it.
     
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    How can that be, if "Flug" as such only means "flight" or "sortie" in German.
     
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    'Flugzeug' is aircraft.

    Besides, German nomenclature isn't logical. Therefore, you must always have an example if you have to state a name.
     
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    Well, duh. That's why I said it meant "Flugzeugabwehrkanone".
     
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    As mentioned above - there is no logic in German nomenclature.

    Flugabwehrkanone is mentioned in H.Dv.481/541 as part of the name 8,8 cm Flugabwehrkanone 18 (8,8 cm Flak 18) and 8,8 cm Flugabwehrkanone 36 (8,8 cm Flak 36).
     

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