Russian Navy "On Verge of Collapse"

I believe the term is reverse engineering...and the Russians don't even come close to the Chinese.

 

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The Chinese get the POTUS to sell it to them!

 

Interesting that the Russians at the moment consider cutting the budget heavily due to the low oil price. The budget will be based on , was it 25 dollars a barrel or something like that next, and due to the economy sinking it might be there well be no football WC in Russia in two years... wonder if they can put much money on new weapons but then again, the USSR did even if everything else failed.

 

Oh ok. Got it.

 

Apparently, this and several related treads have similar background – a plan to complete creation of unilateral world under hegemony of the USA. But the job is far from complete: the "rotten edifice" doesn't crumble spontaneously. It is true, Europe and many other countries are practically under the US jurisdiction and governments execute the US decisions. The largest country, Russia, and the most populated country, China, aren't enthralled yet.

Now, several hypothetic questions; even if both Chinese and Russian “navies collapse”, what then? What is the benefit for the rest of the world? What is the benefit of American hegemony in general?

 

Predictability and stability

 

I don´t know about all European countries but Finland and Sweden seem to be saying No to Nato. At least most of the Finns refuse the idea, then again any new YYA (Agreement of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance with the USSR since 1948 ) deal with Russia would not be welcomed either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Soviet_Treaty_of_1948

Just recently North Korea announced they have a hydrogen bomb and they can use it?! For what? and who would stop them from using it? Putin and the Soviet Navy or are they busy taking hold of the Mediterranean and Atlantic? China? UN? Come on help me here Tamino! Is Putin at all concerned if China is using North Korea to have a swipe at the Soviet navy?

 

Great questions Kai!

I think we both have (dis)advantage of being from small countries and therefore have capabilities to see "greater" nations more clearly, with a trace of anxiety. I also wonder whether increase of tensions contribute to "predictability and stability". Is this generation jeopardizing what was once a great achievement of Reagan and Gorbachev?

If a dictatorship is a danger for freedom in individual countries then hegemony must be even greater peril for global peace and just relationships among countries.

I am sure that America is a benevolent society but I am also concerned what could have happened if such a great power derails, with no opposition.

Personally, I would like to see ALL the navies on the verge on collapse. That's my personal view on the subject.

 

For the time being. In Sweden the situation is already almost even. In Finland people seem to be more illusional - perhaps due to decades of soviet butt-licking and as a concequence "compulsary" NATO demonizing - but the support has grown even here. Supporting NATO membership publicly is no longer a political suicide.

 

Talk about wrecking economies.

 

Tamino,

"Personally, I would like to see ALL the navies on the verge on collapse. That's my personal view on the subject."



The Spanish Armada!

The Battle of Trafalgar.

Coral Sea and Midway. (All the Pacific War actually)

Salamis!

Etc Etc etc etc.



John



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I don't see any real "unknown" technology. US cruse missiles have listed ranges over 900 miles and have been used off of planes as well as ships and subs. LCS is still underdevelopment and could easily be fitted with box launchers if desired. Indeed US frigates have been outfitted with missiles in the same weight range as Tomahawk however the mission of the LCS and Frigates for that matter is not such that they were armed with them in US service. Furthermore Tomahawk is a 1970s missile so no new technology there at all.

As for whether or not some of the Russian missiles hit Iran rather than Syria. I've seen the Russian denials but they have a track record for reliability that is abysmal. I'll go with the Pentagon info especially as there are reports of them actually hitting Iran in spite of the Iranian denials.

Where did you get the info on when the US radars detected them by the way? Not that it would be all that unexpected as I doubt there are many if any US radars that regularly cover the Caspian Sea and low flying cruise missiles are not particularly easy to pick up in any case especially over rough terrain.

 

That would certainly open things back up again for the pirates wouldn't it.

 

Aaaaarrrgh!

 

No, no...That's a Philadelphia Eagles fan.


Pirates go ARRRR!

 

Indeed, but compared to the present days navies, pirates appear to be so cute and so helpless:

 

I don't remember Cap'n Jack toting around an AK-47 or an RPG...

 

Takao. The these guys are so ugly that they had to hide their faces with rags. Their navy also deserves to be on the verge of collapse. My pirates are much prettier... and cute, you have to admit.

 

Well...You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley.

 

I see your point and both you and lwd are right on this subject - Piracy has to be stopped.

Therefore I wish swift recovery of the Russian navy to oppose international pirate attacks of all kinds, if the Russian navy is on the verge of collapse at all.