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Discussion in 'The Stump' started by A-58, Sep 17, 2013.

  1. formerjughead

    formerjughead The Cooler King

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    That really didn't go that well, eastern Europe has been kind of a circus since the wall came down.
    California is the 5th largest economy on the planet and even if it does split there will need to be a symbiotic relationship with the other entities.

    In California most public employees are members of a retirement system called PERS and it is dependent on employees paying in to it, like social security; but, on a smaller scale. There are fewer public employees, less infrastructure, in the northern and south eastern counties than there is in the south west and central counties. Beings I am a member of PERS and of an age where I will soon be able to retire this concerns me. As it sits right now, PERS has been restructured due to some counties opting to provide independent retirement plans pulling out of PERS. There is concern whether PERS will remain solvent and punching big holes in a boat that is barely afloat isn't going to male anything better.
     
  2. Carronade

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    Formation of new states and admission to the Union requires the consent of Congress, and in our current political climate, that will have absolutely nothing to do with the merits of the case or the rights or desires of the people of California. It will be decided on the basis of which party will benefit in terms of control of the Senate and the Electoral College. Sad but true.
     
  3. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member Patron   WW2|ORG Editor

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    From "By the people, for the people" to "From the people, to the people." I'm glad I'm old.
     
  4. Takao

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    It's still a government of the people, by the people, for the people. What has changed is that it is no longer who you are voting for, but who you are voting against.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member Patron   WW2|ORG Editor

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    I don't see the people being represented, just the interests.
     
  6. Takao

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    It's the people that put these clowns in office...Apparently, the people are not interested either.
     
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    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member Patron   WW2|ORG Editor

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    T.rump didn't get a majority of the votes. The system the Grim Old Party engineered put him in office.
     
  8. Takao

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    Hard for either to say they have a "majority" when 40% of the eligible voters decide that none of the potential candidates are worth voting for. That's part of the problem...We are getting crap, not creme for candidates.
     
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    Decent people won't run these days, they don't want to be crucified in the name of political expediency.
     
  10. A-58

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    Great arguments both ways gents, but remember, we're talking about California here. Stranger things have happened.
     
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    Actually, we're talking about Congress, and depending on who you are talking to 3 Californias could benefit either party, a lot or a little...Nobody really knows. So, it is basically a toss-up on getting this through Congress - provided that Californians decide to go for it.
     
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    A-58 Cool Dude

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    The California people can send it to congress, that's what I'm referring to here. Apparently there's enough support for the measure to have it on the ballot this fall. Lots of silly things happen over there in the land of nuts and fruits and illegal immigrants. Well, lots of silly things happen all over, but they seem to have a lot more silliness over there.
     
  13. formerjughead

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    I don't know if California is more silly than anyplace else; we just have better internet.
     
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    And better news coverage as well.

    Well, we have plenty of silly here to be honest. But y'all have more silly than we do since we only have about 4.7 million people here and y'all have about 40 million (legals) there.
     
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    Up here in my end of the state not too much silliness is tolerated; most of the current silliness revolves around the homeless / vagrants. Currently there are three congruent solutions:
    1. Leave them alone and they will move along
    2. Feed them, nurse them, give them someplace to stay, reintroduce them to society
    3. Shoot them with BB guns

    Oddly enough the proposed division of the State is drawn along those attitudes.

    Louisiana has it kind of easy due to alligators being a natural predator of the homeless. You let a couple gators loose in a homeless camp and the problem is going to solve it's self. I used gators as an arbitrary example, any apex predator would suffice.
     
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    And the homeless, being too stupid to avoid predated area, will obliged?
     
  17. formerjughead

    formerjughead The Cooler King

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    pretty much
     
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    You shouldn't feed humans to animals, they have too much crap in them.
     
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    Yeah, and PETA will be on your azz for feeding poisoned food to animals.
     
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    I'd love to have a go at the PETA management. [​IMG]
     
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