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  1. GunSlinger86

    GunSlinger86 Well-Known Member

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    But would they become belligerents in active combat against the West, or supply Germany while the Western capitalist countries war against each other... Stalin didn't offer to help in the West in 1940, although the war went quick. I don't see him entering his troops into a war against a fully mobilized and trained USA, a recovered England, the Empire countries, and the free forces, but I can see the USSR supplying Germany as a proxy, kind of like Korea, where the USSR backed North Korea and supplied them, trained them, equipped them, some Russia pilots flew combat, but they didn't officially fight in that war on the ground.
     
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    The German tanks drove 1940 with the USSR fuel to victory. Satisfied?

    Also the Allied planned bombing the USSR oil fields before Barbarossa. Stalin thinking attacking Germany?
     
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    BTW, did you know communism is a world wide revolution. Read about Komintern.Stalin wanted it ALL.
     
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    I didn't say Stalin would attack Germany, and I know the British and French were thinking of bombing Baku in 1940, but irregardless the West nor the SU did not declare war on each other, and like i said, I believe that the USSR would have supplied Germany but not fight, just as they supplied and trained Korea but did not fight. A fully mobilized USA, recuperated England, the Empire countries, and free forces all stationed on England with the superiority in numbers of aircraft and a Navy that made the Kreigsmarine look non-existent. The USA stationed over 4 million men at peak in the ETO and MTO, not counting the British, Empire and Dominion troops, Free French, other Free Forces, a dominant Air Force, and a Dominant navy.
     
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    Stalin's motto was "Socialism in one country." He thew Trotsky out because he wasn't for the world wide revolution as Trotsky was. That's not to say he didn't think about that as a good thing eventually.
     
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    When could FDR declare war and why? If you think the Allied made a pact
     
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    I was just posing the point that has been said over and over that required all of those countries combined to beat one small country in the middle of Europe. Had Germany increased its Atlantic warfare targeting American ships or got caught with espionage activity on US soil and one way or another the USA got into the war, a fully mobilized, equipped, and trained American force in all branches combined with the British, Commonwealth countries, free forces wouldn't have needed Russia as a combatant to beat Germany in the end.
     
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    Correct, in 1924, when the policy was first enacted, Stalin realized that the Soviet Union had to be made strong enough to defend itself from allcomers, and then pursue the spread of communism. He explains this in a 1938 letter.
    On the Final Victory of Socialism in the U.S.S.R.

    As such, as the western capitalist/fascist were bleeding each other white, it is a distinct possibility, that Stalin would steamroll across Europe when the Soviet military was rebuilt and the time was right.
     
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    In 1939 the French communists were depressed when Stalin ordered co-operation with Germans Die to the pact.

    Interesting is that Stalin also believed that German communists would start a strike if Barbarossa would happeen.

    Komintern was not finished until FDR in 1943 demanded it.

    If Stalin believed in socialism in One country why the Ribbentrop pact and Winter war?
     

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