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  1. merlin phpbb3

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    [Split from 'UFO's and the Human Memory']

    I'm not sure which Sqd. Graham Briggs (Briggy) was in but he also flew early in the war in a Whitley to bomb something in Italy because Churchill thought it was a good idea. He said they flew down to the south coast then refueled with just enough to get back!.He won a DFC for climbing in a Lancs bomb bay to get rid of a jammed bomb, he is mentioned in a book called 'Bombers Moon', mostly Australian crew.
    When he said he could not remember the main spar being so narrow, that for anyone who doesn't understand Brit. humour he was joking, because he had got fatter!! He is a very modest man, but does get cross when anyone knocks Bomber Command about bombing Germany.
     
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    Re: post subject

    I think I remember reading the bomb-bay incident (poking them with the navigators ruler IIRC) in Paul Brickhill's "617 Squadron". IIRC a second squadron was involved in the Tirpitz mission

    Tom
     
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    I have just been speaking on the phone to both of my lancaster friends, hope you find the following of interest.
    'Briggy' flew originally with 58 Sqd. on Whitleys, that's where he made the 'Itie' trip.
    He later flew with 103 and 511 after his second tour.
    He did the Tirpitz job attatched to No.9 and 617, great rivalry between these two, they flew from Bardney ,Lincs, did not know where they were going, confined to camp, artic clothing issued.
    Most interesting thing I did not know is that he has a bit of the Tirpitz on his mantlepiece!!!
    (interuption, Knock at the door, Ken Rogers from No9 Sqd has just brought me No9 Sqd. Association news letters.) Great gift.
    Back to Briggy's Tirpitz bit, after the war someone from RAF was on holiday at Tromso?, saw a farmer building a fence, got talking, found it was decking from Tirpitz that was being broken up, some how managed to aquire a load, Scandinavian Air lines flew it to UK free, British Customs charged them £30!!!, it was cut up and mounted with plaque and presented to all who took part!
    By the way, the book that I mentioned is called 'No Moon Tonight'.
    I'm now going to scan/copy No.9 crest for you.
     
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    I may be wrong, but I thought that 618 Sqd was raised to sink the Tirpitz using high balls, and that 617 were the 'Dambusters'.
     
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    Pretty sure it was the same squadron that did both operations.
     
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    Copy of one letter from many. No.9 Sqd.Association.
    The Battle for Hitler's Supership Revealed. (this is a copy of letter in reply to apolagy letter from a London TV film Company)
    Your letter to Wing Commander Evans dated 26th.August has been forwarded on to me.
    I appreciate the honesty of your explanation of what went wrong and how 1X Squadron came to be completely ignored.I am sure 617Sqd. would have been aware of this omission and would have advised the producer accordingly. We both know it is now too late to rectify the damage done by the manipulation of historic facts to suit the convienence of the director.

    On a fine point the 'Tirpitz' was not strictly 'sunk' in the true sense of the word.In fact the vessel was not 'holed' below the water line. Had this been the case, the extremely shallow draft beneath the hull would only have allowed the ship to settle on the bed of the fjord with the greater part of the superstructure still visible above the water.Direct hits on the vessel supported the accuracy of the attacking force but only succeeded in destroying structures on the upper decks.

    The 'Tirpitz' remained afloat with one gun still firing as IX Squadron came in to make their attack after 617 Squadron had left the target.
    The 'bomb-plot', produced by author and historian-Alan Cooper-established that the bomb dropped by Dennis Nolan, the Bomb-Aimer in Douggie Tweeddle's aircraft-WS-Y- 'kissed' the side of the hull and slid onto the bed of the fjord beneath the ship.The subsequant explosion caused the 'Tirpitz' to 'turn-turtle' and capsize.
    Rescue of some crew members was effected by cutting through the hull plates.

    IX Squadron claim to be the last military unit to attack the 'Turpitz' and ensured that it no longer threatened our merchant ships sailing the Russian convoy route.

    I thank you for your apolagy and may I suggest that you produce a sequal to the 'rogue' film and tell the true story- 'IX Squadron Terminated the 'Tirpitz'.

    Yours sincerely, J.S.E.Brookbank, Association Chaiman.
     
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    i'll look into the book again but I think they were both there...both times.

    Yes 617 was the "Dambusters". Led by Canadian John Fauquier for a short time at one point.
     
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    SB. When you say they were both there....both times, who do you mean by 'both'? and both times where?
    No.617 and No.IX were as in the letter previous on the 'Tirpitz' raids.
    There should be no doubt about that.
    I believe that there were four separate raids on the 'Tirpitz', the final one by No.617 and No.IX that 'finished the job' took place on November 12th 1944.
    No.IX Sqd. were specialists with the 12,000lb 'Tallboy' bomb.
     
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    The Dambusters made two attacks on the Tirpitz, the first being foiled by smudge pots. Because of the targets importance, 617 was acompanied by another squadron (618 I think- that would be the 'both') during both attacks. They got her the second time.

    Dambusters also helped destroy the V3 guns....using thier excellent aim and 22,000lb 'Grand Slams'- the biggest ever dropped in Europe.

    Must remember to use the quote feature more often. :)
     
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    nope, 3 attacks:
    15 september 1944, 28 lancasters, 2 hits
    29 october 1944, 38 lancasters, no hits 1 neear miss, 1 plane lost
    12 november, 32 lancasters, 3 hits and 2 neear misses
     
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    Which one was the one that the Germans deployed a smoke screen?
     
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    15 september 1944, operation paravane
     
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    As far as I can see, 618 Squadron never saw action
    http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/h618.html

    As an aside, just noticed here that on the final raid, IX Squadron was commanded by S/Ldr A. G. Williams -- any relation, I wonder?
     
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    Thanks Tom, I'll ask 'Briggy' and 'Ken Rogers' to come around and view that web. site, aren't I lucky to know two friends within a mile who were there!
    You may notice on the web site given by Ossian that some planes crash landed in Russia, 'Briggy' told me of this long ago, main reason was that they landed on what they thought was grass land but was actually marsh grass about six feet high!
    Note to Me262. 'Nope' If we want to start nit-picking I think there were five raids on the 'Tirpitz', one in dry dock at Wilhelmshaven in Jan.41 and another in April 42, but only three in the 'Biggy'.
    Now, just for you 'Quiz' Buffs, .......
    "Which British WW2 troop-ship started life named the 'Tirpitz"?
     
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    Re: Tirpitz

    actually, 17 air attacks by the RAF and the FAA just in norway
    2 cancelled by bad wheater
    4 with lancasters
    3 with the big bombs!!!
     
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    ME262. 17 attacks, wow, never knew that, stands back in amazement.
    I hate to show my ignorance but what is the FAA? I feel embarressed I wish I'd kept it shut! :oops:
    OK then, Which British Troopship stared life as the Tirpitz???
    B.B.B.
     
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    FAA = Fleet Air Arm
     
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    FAA!!!!!! Fleet Air Arm!!!!!!! of course this is the memory thread!!!!! I do know FFI (French) and FFI (Medical) and RAAF but the FAA and the Wavy Navy slipped from the old memory bank! (I can remember what I was doing 70plus years ago but!!!) :oops: (What was that girls name at Catterick in 45?)
     
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    The largest and most powerful conventional bomb to ever be used in wartime in fact.
     
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    They should have dropped a few T12's in Iraq in place of those stupid MOAB's... :wink:

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