Spain and portugal joined the axis?

Ah I bet our Berliets would change the tide in the Eastern front ... I think the worst part of Portugal and Spain joining the Axis was the extended landmass they had to protect... The extra men would be welcome but the extra landmass would remove even more from the front... But of course, they'd have our berliets...


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yeh but don't u think that would have helped the tide of the war?

spain and portugal manpower = maybe a victory in russia at an earlier date way before stanlingrad as germany would have had more manpower?

and that would mean a victory in the eastern front more manpower in the west as the majority wouldn't need to be in the east anymore?

also maybe europe would have had more fear as there would have been 2 more contries in the axis power?

turkey may have been persuaded also sweden maybe?


also Gibraltar would have been captured 1 key advantage.

don't know just a thought

 

Portugal population in the 40's was around 8 million souls and the manpower they could provide would be tops in absolute crisis maybe 400-500K men... As for the extra manpower in the Eastern front, I believe it'd actually draw manpower from the eastern front simply cause of the sheer quantity of men needed to protect the huge coastal landmass...




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When Spain sent its volunteers to Russia, Germany had to equip them fully. If you are implying that by sending divisions worth of manpower would tip the scales, what would they be arriving with? What tanks did Spain or Portugal have to compete with the T-34? Manpower alone would not win the war.

 

Once again some never consider the LOGISTICS when it comes to their scenarios.

 

As I said, Portugal had Berliets They could stop ten infantry divisions or 8 armored divisions... Each!

lol

On a serious note, Portugal and Spain would need some buid up by the Germans. Our regular army was ill equiped as it was and changing to a war economy would enable us to field some more divisions but we were lacking in artillerie, airforce and armor... The three more important parts in a war... but, as I said, all this would be academic since the manpower required to protect the extra 9000 Km of coast would render any gains in manpower useless and might even draw some manpower from the Eastern front just to prevent landings...



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Berliets my backslide, the Berliet truck plant (French license) at Tramagal was opened in the mid 60's only

Gib could easily block the Med, by the power of the coastal artillery and naval forces stationed there, crossing fires with the guns on the southern side at Ceuta, already held by Spain (still there).

I think you are exaggeranting, during the Colonial Wars in the 60s P. could put up a total of continuous mobilised personnel of 150,000.

Easy. Nothing at all, think Romania without the oil.

That's right, it would be yet another huge drain on the Reich's resources. Totally pointless. Better leave them be where they were, all the while supplying ores and sardines. Besides Adolf looked at us peninsulars as so jewified as to be next on the Final Solution queue

 

exactly if gib would have been captured by spain the coast in spain morroco (as it was a spanish colony) and gibraltar full of artillery obviously it would have been supplied by germans but there the royal navy wouldn't have been able to pass well i don't think. plus iwth lufftwaffa support?

 

Then what if the Brits landed at Tarifa and retook Gibraltar? Tangiers had been a Brit posession as well (passed on by the Portuguese in the XVIIth century), what if they retook it and took Ceuta in the back, eh?

What Ifs are endless, aren't they?

 

Still speaking of the Portuguese Navy, at the time we had three submarines bought from Britain in the 30s, Delfim, Espadarte e Golfinho (Dolphin, Swordfish and Porpoise). The saying went: "One doesn't go down, the other doesn't come up, and the third does neither" :lol:

 

Sorry, I forgot to mention the 3 (three!) Vickers 6-Ton :lol:

Much later on we got a bunch of 2nd hand Valentines

 

Hawkerace, I got it all wrong!!!

There was the Guadiana class of 4: Guadiana, Douro, Vouga, Tamega, but these were old ships bought in 1913-1920; and the Douro class of 5: Douro, Dão, Lima, Tejo and Vouga, these ones purchased in 1932-35 to replace the former.

 

What If we put together all the 'Spain joined the Axis' threads that came out of their graves? :lol:

This one http://www.ww2f.com/what-if/24796-spain-portugal-joined-axis.html and
http://www.ww2f.com/what-if/11723-what-if-spain-had-joined-axis.html
http://www.ww2f.com/what-if/19959-what-if-spain-joined-axis.html

 

Sure sounds like a plan doesn't it? LOL