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Stalin Invades the Middle East May 1940

Discussion in 'What If - Mediterranean & North Africa' started by AntiWank, Apr 9, 2008.

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  1. AntiWank

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    Stalin decides that when Hitler Invades France it might be a good chance to make a grab for the Middle East and does so.

    His objective is to grab Turkey, Northern Iran, Kurdistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine.

    How does this go down?
     
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    Interesting. I can see him succeeding in taking Turkey and Iran. Heading South and West from those points is overextending his supply line. This would also leave his Right flank vulnerable to attack from Hitler of which Stalin I am sure would be expecting. So, it may not be a wise idea to head south and take the Eastern Mediterranean and the Middle East.
     
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    Antiwank,

    Please read the "What If" guidelines and amend your post to reflect the requirements.
    Otherwise, I will close the thread.
     
  4. AntiWank

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    Stalin decides that when Hitler Invades France it might be a good chance to make a grab for the Middle East and does so.

    His objective is to grab Turkey, Northern Iran, Kurdistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine.

    Turkey is his main goal as the Soviets have long wanted secure access to the Mediterranean Sea, Kurdistan gives a secure base for further expansion into Iraq and Iran for their oil fields and for access to the Gulf, thus making it even harder for the Soviet Union to be blockaded.

    Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine further extend his reach in the Mediterranean sea.

    Stalin expects Hitler to bog down in France and is counting on that to achieve victory while the Allies and Hitler duke it out.

    How does this go down?


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  5. Carl W Schwamberger

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    I dont know about the Iranians.

    The Turks fight a tough delaying strategy & Stalin has to listen to excuses from his Generals about the higher casualties, slow progress and endless technical problems. Germany imeadiatly starts aid to Turkey.

    After France collapses Germany begains looking at the options for attacking the USSR and increases aid to Turkey. The Soviet leaders reconsider their position with a large portion of their forces deployed far to the south. Accelerating conscription, training, and equipment programs is attempted.

    Possible three way armistice discussions between the USSR, Germany, and Turkey might begain. Or, Germany opts for war before the end of 1940.

    In the latter case by April of 1941 Germany has cleared Soviet forces from Poland & maybe the Baltic Nations, reinforced the Rumainians, and helped the Turks secure western Anatolia. Preperations for large springtime attacks are underway. Britian is trying to cope with the need to defend Egypt from two directions.
     
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    If the Russians commit to an attack south of there border, that would be very stupid for them. Hitler was always going to invade, and after the fall of France, and the soviets push far enough south to attempt any immediate reinfocement of there troops, the germans attack. With there thin lines and no army due to the turkish invasion, as well as the troops stationed on the border of manchuria, ther Germans role over them, destroying many of there troops, making the invasion of russia that little bit easier. As well as if the ally with all the countires you mentioned, I think Russia would fall.
     
  7. Falcon Jun

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    This what if opens a lot of political possibilities that could be spun in a certain way. I'll explore some of them.

    I think that Germany and the USSR would go by the dictum of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." While the two face the UK as a common foe, the leaders of Germany and the USSR would most probably not choose to go against each other. Under this what if, Stalin may have miscalculated that Germany would get bog down in France. The USSR and the Germans, however, would be hard pressed to push their own campaigns because they would have to set aside sufficient forces to prevent a stab in the back.
    Historically, Churchill distrusted Stalin so a USSR attack on British interests would reinforce this.

    However, such a tentative alliance between Germany and the USSR would allow Germany to continue the trade of important materials. This would ease the historical supply problem of Germany and perhaps allow a more efficient German weapons development program.

    Would this situation allow Germany the time to allocate enough resources to invade England? Perhaps. The important factor would be what the US would do. Most probably the US would support the UK and distract the US attention further away from the Pacific.

    At this time, Japan has not yet opened hostilities with the UK and the US, so it's possible that some segments of the US govt might see the opportunity to use Japan as hedge against the Soviets. Historically, Japan and the USSR were rivals and the US, which is not yet an active participant in the war, might use this avenue. This might lead to the US turning a blind eye on China in exchange of assurances that Japan might help the UK against Russia. There is a factor that could temper this and that is the previous German-Japanese pact. Would Japan honor it if courted by the US?

    Probably no. There are segments of the Japanese govt and military that prefer that the US not be antagonized. The USSR action against British interest would play right into their hands and could be a card to use with the US. Chiang's US support would evaporate in this situation. The Russians might increase support for Mao because he would be going against Japanese forces in China.

    US support for Japan would obviate Japan's need to expand across the Pacific and allow Japan to concentrate against China while harassing the Russians.

    Thus, with this what if, it's possible now for the US not to become an active participant in the war, especially with an active isolationist lobby. This scenario, of course, depends on Japan not going against British or US interest in Southeast Asia. US businessmen, I think, would grab at this chance to make money from supplying war material to the UK and its allies, plus maybe Japan. Combine the isolationists with business interests and that would be a powerful political force for an attempt by the US govt to actively participate in the war.

    Of course, a non-belligerent US wouldn't prevent individuals or organizations from recruiting US volunteers to actively fight in the war.

    As to the British in Palestine, they would be very hard put trying to defend from an attack on two fronts. Fortunately for the British, with Japan not expanding into Southeast Asia, the UK could free up more resources for use against a war with the USSR and Germany.

    However, the Russians would face formidable natural obstacles, plus a mammoth logistical problem, in trying to grab the areas mentioned in this what if. The UK would also have an advantage here because since there is still a level of distrust between Hitler and Stalin, something that the historically canny British could exploit.
     
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