Stalingrad is taken by the 6th Army?

Martin, Carl von:

Both offensives were too weak by November as Martin pointed out. Many of the German resources were being sent to Stalingrad and it is stupid, because the city was just a bloody filthy hole. It is STUPID to have three Panzer divisions which cannot maneuver, by the way, in a four kilommetres wide front!!!! What would those three Panzer divisions have done if they were in El Alamein instead of Barrikady factory?! Quite a difference. But let's suposse that Stalingrad is taken in the first days of October and that Rommel wins at Alam Halfa and destroys VIII Army. I cannot imagine the supplies problems and the fact that we did not have the capability of supply two attacks 4.000 kilommetres from Germany in the middle East... It is simply impossibe to keep them supplied and give them air support, considering that the Red Army is growing bigger and bigger and is attacking Army gruops North and Centre, the Americans are in Algeria, etc. It is simply impossible, there were no logistics, no men, no nothing to make this. I still insisting to you and to many people that there was a chance to win the war, to defeat Great Britain and the Soviet Union, but those chances were in Autumn 1940, with "Seelöwe" and in Winter 1941 with "Barbarossa", after that, with the enormous amount of losses in men, above all, and equipment, it was out our possibilities.

 

( A small voice says )
Thank God for the RAF !

 

He, he, he! It saved your Brittish, classy botts, didn't it?

A question: Why do the Brittish look elegant wearing everything? Even a fat Brit in underwear looks elegant? An American or a German would look like pigs... Forget it... I am going nuts.

God save the RAF!

 

The point that says that the 6th army wouldnt have link up with the dak is a good one, however,with the oil from the caucases, and other new 'goodies' the germans wouldve accquired, a renewed push in afrika
wouldve been possible.

 

Well, Carl, but no... The petrol of the Caucasus meant a lot for the Wehrmacht, but not for the Red Army. It could still fighting with petrol from Siberia (incredibly, there is petrol in Siberia). And the petrol of the Middle East would have affected Great Britain only, because the USA would still have had all the petrol from Texas, Mexico and Venezuela. And let me tell you that it is a lot!

With a secured supply-line, the DAK had certain posibilities of reaching the Middle East after smashing the British VIII Army. But what would they have done with USA's and Great Britain's troops in Algeria, with all the rear exposed?

And it is sure that Army Group South COUD NOT reach Iran. It was absolutely impossible. They would be separated 1.000 kilommetres from Army Groups Centre and North!!! Whith which men and equippment are you planning to occupate and defend the Ukraine against a growing Red Army? Beside, there were not any logistics to support such attack so deep into the Caucasus... there are no motorways, there are mountains, deserts, all that with supplies carried by horses, infantry on foot and a weak air support? No way...

 

And with Malta still functioning, and with Ultra giving the convoy positions, the British would still have sunk Rommel's supplies - there would just have been more to sink...